Just watched a TV program on a beach in Rio De Janeiro some days ago and PLZ don't ask me to disclose its name .

I can say that it 's a nude, yes, nude beach and tourists like it.

This makes me think abt my Tropican world and I'm wondering if this feature's neccessary.

If I'm not wrong the topless beaches happened in the game named 'Beachlife' ? Who knows it? Was it rated as 'M' (Mature) ?

Anyway, if it's feasible, the game will limit the customers as just for 'M' to buy it and so on, the turnover will decrease.

Do you think most of the Tropico gamers is 'M' and Tropico 4 will be a 'hot' game all over the world ?

interesting suggestion

(20-04-2011 06:23 AM)Little Dragon Wrote:  ... If I'm not wrong the topless beaches happened in the game named 'Beachlife' ? Who knows it? Was it rated as 'M' (Mature) ?
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The game was produced by "Deep Red" and published in Europe as "Virtual Resort - Beach Life" and in North America as "Virtual Resort - Spring Break" ; and it had the "teen" or equivalent morality rating. Probably that's because the nudity was on the beaches and only involved female topless in specific situations, and was activated with a cheat. You can see more and better nudity by watching "Dancing with the Stars." The whole issue revolves around the "nipple" -- can you see it with or without a layer of cloth over it. The game has a building which has as a feature, "a wet T-shirt contest." Zoom-in your camera on that one.

What is much more stimulating in the game is copulation on the sand when the player serves up the right brand of beer with enough strength. The beer brand is 'Cape Horn' and the mixed drink is 'Horney Toad.' But there is a lot of stuff in the game that is not in harmony with "family values."

It all got past the game rating folks back in 2002. Well, maybe the "Holiday Reps" who live in "Chalets" on map (no other workers do), were originally conceived as prostitutes -- but couldn't get by the guardians of morality and had to change their role.

@Coconut Kid

My professor, tks a lot for the data and I'll find "Virtual Resort - Spring Break", maybe . The only thing I'm worried abt is it's under so old graphics .

If nudity is a great attraction of games of the current flow (God of War, The God Father 2, Mafia 2, etc), why not for Tropico 4? And, 'Beachlife' had done it, T4 GO AHEAD! See, the game looks so amazing when the female spring breakers put off theirs bikini and lie down on the beach for sunburn. I bet many gamers all over the world will be excited if they hear this feature happens in the next version of Tropico (i.e T4)

Btw, cabarets appear in Tropico but do you think we should see more animation ? I mean stripping...

And, how do u think if El Presidente visits a topless beach under his formal uniform? Should he/she be nude, too? Lol

You can get porn on the internet... let's keep the game clean, guys.

(21-04-2011 06:56 AM)Fr8monkey Wrote:  You can get porn on the internet... let's keep the game clean, guys.

Lol, porn not related here, dude. Everything, including nudity, if able to make games more funny, worth considering.

I don't think anyone would buy a game just because they have the chance to see a animated topless woman, and chances are the age limit would be raised and less would be sold anyway...

although, an option on the existing beach could be to make it a 'nudist beach' (but without any actual nudity, just the option) which could be something to annoy religious but idk increase the tourism rating?

I think Tropico is definatley the wrong game for this, i mean your examples of 'God of War, The God Father 2, Mafia 2' are of a completely different genre and in my opinion adding nudity to tropico would be nothing but a waste of time.

As funny as this may be, I'd rather see substantial game improvements such as combat mechanics and more economic options/paths, rather than a gimmicky "nude beach" option.

Plus, much like the discussion on trying to make more evil options as a dictator (genocide, torture, etc.), I'd rather see them keep the game more "friendly" in appearance to appeal to more people (read: sell more games, hence keeping the franchise viable), than adding these minor features that will up the rating and piss off lots of moms.

Plz don't make thing so serious, dudes.

Tell me, will the game look more attractive with this minor feature ?

I'm not suggesting that this feature will make the dev ignore other neccessary features. Simply, it makes the game more funny, and that's the one each of us needs.

(21-04-2011 12:22 AM)Little Dragon Wrote:  If nudity is a great attraction of games of the current flow ..., why not for Tropico 4? ...
Btw, cabarets appear in Tropico but do you think we should see more animation ? I mean stripping ...

Congratualtions Little Dragon -- you have started to flush the lurkers out of the "guest list" and into actually posting.

It's only the neo-Victorians -- aka "Bible Thumpers" in the U.S.A. -- who believe that nudity is pornographic. It's related to John Calvin's religious thesis that any sexual activity should be for procreation only and all pleasures derived from the body are sinful - at least since Eve's fall from grace in the Garden of Eden. The followers of the Prophet Muhammad have similiar problems with the naked woman.

Today the great majority of intelligent people are not captives of concepts based on myths about the gods. Well, most of the really silly ones are abandoned.

Nudity would probably have been in T1 except it had a significant element of realism. That is the Slob Tourists! Take a look at the female Slob Tourist using the Beach Site, and you will thank your lucky stars that she is not nude. When you wish for nudity, remember you have to take "pit-run" (all comers) not just the super-models. The U.S.A. is the most obese of nations, as I am reminded as I walk through the mall. When I look at the average crowd, I am reminded that clothing alone is not enough to conceal out-of-control ugly.

About more specificity for Cabaret visuals -- I think such are not needed. T2 broke the sound barrier for bordellos. The hover-over sound is much more creative for the Cabaret: a little honkey-tonk piano music mixed with the slap of flesh against flesh together with laughter and moans. That's what is needed for T4. Visuals are not the be all and end all.

(21-04-2011 04:03 PM)CoconutKid Wrote:  [align=center]
Nudity would probably have been in T1 except it had a significant element of realism. That is the Slob Tourists! Take a look at the female Slob Tourist using the Beach Site, and you will thank your lucky stars that she is not nude.

Hahahaha YES!

This has permanently secured my veto for nude beaches.

(21-04-2011 06:56 AM)Fr8monkey Wrote:  You can get porn on the internet... let's keep the game clean, guys.

Yea man.. this game must be good clean fun for all..

like public executions....


i swear some people are so uptight about being naked.. I love the idea, but i dought it would happen.. though i wonder if you could mod it..

reduce religious, improve tourism.. seams like a nice trade off

I could see a really killer DLC.. the dark side of tropico.. all about guns, drugs, underground organizations, and nude beaches..

anyone else see the irony here? thats what nudity gets tossed into.. the evil underworld.. Blow up people for hours on end, fun for all, have a nip slip.. 18+ only !!

I think most of the Tropico gamers is 'M' as kids don't like to play political game. They just like 'kick and run' only.

So no problem if this game is rated as 'M'.

(22-04-2011 06:02 AM)Little Dragon Wrote:  I think most of the Tropico gamers is 'M' as kids don't like to play political game. They just like 'kick and run' only.

So no problem if this game is rated as 'M'.

Not true! I was given Tropico 1 as a gift from my parents when I was 13 years old!
They certainly wouldn't have given me this gift and lifelong love of Tropico if the game advertised nudity!
Tropico is a very attractive game for kids. No I didn't know what "politics" was when I was 13 but I played it for the tropical islands

I wish there was a /facepalm emoticon.

Okies, okies men

If the 'Beach Life' was rated for T, let Tropico do as the 'Beach Life' did, i.e limited nudity at an acceptable level for T

Or you need 2 versions of Tropico: 1 is censored for T and 1 is uncensored for M ?

you know whats funny..


You dont need to be 18+ to goto a nude beach..


Only look at a photo of it..

(21-04-2011 04:03 PM)CoconutKid Wrote:  It's only the neo-Victorians -- aka "Bible Thumpers" in the U.S.A. -- who believe that nudity is pornographic. It's related to John Calvin's religious thesis that any sexual activity should be for procreation only and all pleasures derived from the body are sinful - at least since Eve's fall from grace in the Garden of Eden. The followers of the Prophet Muhammad have similiar problems with the naked woman.

For those who saw my posts in the past, you were probably anticipating me. So here comes Captain Censor, the proud moral gaurdian, the religious zealot in a forum of indifference.

To sum it, I'm one of those people Coconut mentioned, and I fully believe in Calvin's thesis you said there, but go further. Nudity isn't just evil for women, but for men. I generally believe that men and women should be held as equals in most every feasible category, unless specifically outlined. (Example: woman can be as good a judge as a man, or as good a politician, etc. etc.)
An example of this "gender equality" note is that I believe that "dressing modestly" applies to men AND women, but the definition of "modest dress" varies by gender, age, culture, etc. The same is true with submission, that a husband and wife must submit to each other.

-BUT ENOUGH ABOUT THAT, NOW SOME MUSIC NOW THE POINT(S)!

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I'm not here to mutate this into a bashing thread, so let me just make my point from here and scat. Beware: I ramble.

I can't really debate nudity with factual statistics. It's entirely a personal choice, but I make a hard-lined NO.

I never really grasped the whole "Cabaret = Brothel" theory someone tried to argue against me with when I was talking about morality and the need for Tropico III to stay pure enough to hold its "T" rating. Forum veterans remember me talking about family approval to obtain a T-rated game, and my personal- not parental, my own choosing -self-ban on M-rated games.

Heck, I always thought the Cabaret was, at most, a strip joint. Not a brothel, just a strip joint. ...-and not just any strip joint, the strip joints that exist in the part of Georgia I come from. That is, the strippers can't strip past their (hairline-thin) lingerie and there's an enforced "no-touchie" rule for all patrons. (As a moral bonus, "Showgirls"- AKA strippers -are my lowest paid Tropicans.)


So let me say it. Although we're born into this world in our birthday suits, and we'll rot in the grave with that being all we have to our name, I've always hated nudity and always will.


I didn't buy Tropico for sex, or booze, or boobs, nor was my goal a strip joint or (what I see as) porn. I went to Tropico for the "SimCuba Tycoon" it looked like and turned out to be. I don't want to be disgusted while playing Tropico III or IV, I want to play the game. Adding expressed nudity- and strippers, or even fully clothed pole-dancers -will alienate whole demographics of people. In some areas, it might not even appear on the shelf.

Where I live, in the USA's deep South, strip joints can't lap dance or bare all. They're shackled by taxes and permits and are usually off in a rural area. (My county has but one strip joint, having successfully driven the rest out of business.) Many of the most violent games are kept off the shelves. Grand Theft Auto is an exception because of how well it sells, but generally, the M-rated games have very simple boxes (so not to be lewd) and are stuffed on the bottom of the shelf. Many stores don't sell them because the shoppers that seek them are so few.

Tropico III's expansion back was so delayed where I lived that I had to obtain it by online download. (Not one of us were pleased with that, since we like our tangible CDs and assurance of a crash.) I don't think morality delayed it.

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I'm not buying Tropico for some sort of "fan service" or stripping Hispanic women. I'm buying Tropico, and will continue buying Tropico, for the fun and entertaining gameplay that I spent hours enjoying and hope to continue.

Nudity would not contribute to the game in any way except to "be edgy" and add nudity into the game. All it'll do is bump up the rating and stir a ruckus with the censors and moral gaurdians, myself included. The worst part, though, is that I won't buy a M-rated Tropico IV without a lot of discussions with myself, with my family, and with my God. Even if I DO purchase the game with nudity and M-rated stuff, I can't have as much fun with it when I have to cover the screen or zoom out so not to get flashed.

For the sake of decency and avoiding bad publicity, demonization, and loss of sales, I'd strongly suggest abstaining from that sort of nudity.

Thank you for your time, tolerance, and civil discussion. (I'm probably not frequenting this thread too often again.)

(12-05-2011 02:39 AM)IronFist Wrote:  I wish there was a /facepalm emoticon.

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I owe you a +1 Reputation Commendation Point. (Dang limit.)

Nudity will never be a problem for age, or did you guys forget how the Sims series deals with nudity? Let's say you can add a parental control panel to remove it if you wish to. Easy solution all in all.

As for TurtleShroom's lengthy post, it seems to be a bit of an exeggeration from my side at least, not being a US citizen and all that jazz. Considering that Tropico is not only sold in the US, I don't quite see the problem. The South where you live is one but small part of the world that is that extreme when it comes to games because of its strong religious history. As with anything, game developers will always have to make a choice when they make a game and each choice will include or separate a certain portion of the playerbase. That's just the nature of game development.

Further, I am not going to argue with you why you think nudity is so bad as for me this is the natural state of things, as every man and woman is born naked. Clothes are a social fabrication and clothes only derive meaning as long as you give ascribe them meaning (the American flag is only the American flag because people recognize its pattern as the American flag. If you don't it's just a useless piece of cloth with a pattern on it). So as much that I think you are free to think that nudity will just raise the rating, I can definitely see how nudity can enhance the gameplay. We already have a religious faction within the game, they will clearly not like nudity on the beaches for one. With the way factions are going to be more included through the Council in T4, if the religious faction is prominent enough, they might have an impact on our tourist rating.

See, this is where I am going with this. Do you want to have a party tourist resort or do you want to have a tourist resort for families? Currently, T3 cannot really separate between the two and it would be nice to have more specific attractions depending on the type you wish to attract more. The party tourists will spend more money in average per individual and they want a high level of freedom of what to do and not do, but they also drastically increases the crime level. Family tourists spend less and have a higher standard of living and demand more from your island, but it will increase the foreign relations from wherever the tourists come from since your island is "safe". It shouldn't be hard for you to guess what tourist category would prefer nudity beaches.

This allows players to make a choice and that choice will have an impact on their gameplay. This means that if you want to, you do not ever have to see nudity on your beaches but please, for the players who find this an interesting option, don't just say the feature cannot be included it at all, because it can. It just depends how it is included. I hope you read this some time soon.

Don't make thing so serious, men. Just consider it as a fun and nothing related to moral philosophy.

How d'u think when u visit a museum and enjoy a nude art painting?

@LeaT:
Yes, this feature may be optional.

(20-06-2011 01:24 PM)LeaT Wrote:  See, this is where I am going with this.

Do you want to have a party tourist resort or do you want to have a tourist resort for families? Currently, T3 cannot really separate between the two and it would be nice to have more specific attractions depending on the type you wish to attract more. The party tourists will spend more money in average per individual and they want a high level of freedom of what to do and not do, but they also drastically increases the crime level. Family tourists spend less and have a higher standard of living and demand more from your island, but it will increase the foreign relations from wherever the tourists come from since your island is "safe". It shouldn't be hard for you to guess what tourist category would prefer nudity beaches.

This allows players to make a choice and that choice will have an impact on their gameplay. This means that if you want to, you do not ever have to see nudity on your beaches but please, for the players who find this an interesting option, don't just say the feature cannot be included it at all, because it can. It just depends how it is included. I hope you read this some time soon.

I see, I see.
I also like what I see. It reminds me of the "evil despot" thread. Give people the option to be good, evil, or both, depending on their mood.

What I was filibustering against and fearing was the idea of actually adding nude sprites or concepts into Tropico. If there's just a button that can be clicked in the options on a beach that reads "Allow Nudity", then I'll be just fine. What I don't want to see is a naked Tropican. The only melons I want to see in this game are on my farms, thank you very much!

However, and again, your point is a very, very good one. Give people the option of filthing up their island or purifying it for the family. Let the tourists bare all or none.

Your point has resonated well with me, and the idea of two classes of tourists (clean and dirty) is, to me, a brilliant mechanism to add.

Thank you for showing me the point of the thread. +1 Reputation Commendation Point for you!

(23-06-2011 08:39 PM)TurtleShroom Wrote:  . What I don't want to see is a naked Tropican. The only melons I want to see in this game are on my farms, thank you very much!

really? I thnk that could add some serrious humor..


is your nude beach full of fat slob turists.. (like most of the nude beaches around the world) Or is it some very popular, hottest only need apply... ala the beaches of brazil)

the modles dont need to be exact.. just a shall we say "blurry bush" and a topless model.. Big deal we see some naked buttoks, and some pixle boob.. would that really be all that awefull?

Hell make it a 5 dollar DLC, that would have to cover the artists making a few naked models, and the coding to add a single option.

Im sure it would be a very popular DLC, i think something like this would be seen more in the light of, a great way to give players what they want, without killing their T for teen rating. DLC is allowed to up rating from what i gather in the past.

even if the idea was to pack your island with topless spring breakers... could even have a pub near a beach where there is a chance of someone getting drunk and lossing there clothing..

Sounds like a fun challenge mission... can you turn your island into girls gone crazy paradice.. get 200 naked spring breakers on your island before 1990!


But just for the record.. Most places that have beaches,, nudity is consitered nothing more than just a fact of life.. People have bodies, and if you dont have something on your just abody thats naked.. its not about sex, or provocation.. Its like seeing your dad naked when he gets outta the shower.. or going to a gym, or after practice and showering with 50 other people. when you live in 95 degree tempertaturs year round, and near the water, your mostly naked anyway. droping off your shorts or pulling off your top for a dip in the water is about as natural as using a water fountain, and serriously.. Noone even thinks twice..


Caberts are NOT strip joints.. its a place for showgirls in their fancy outfits doing dances.. They never or atleast should i say rarely, take off thier clothing, though some costumes can be half naked, but thats typical of really any dance in some interpritations.. ilke a ballet thats done in seethrough tights.. again nothing to do with sex, and everything to do with interpertive dance.

(23-06-2011 08:52 PM)Tropije Wrote:  [

Sounds like a fun challenge mission... can you turn your island into girls gone crazy paradice.. get 200 naked spring breakers on your island before 1990!

Ha ha,



But yeah, if game is not for fun? Should we play it or better stick to the outside?

(12-05-2011 02:39 AM)IronFist Wrote:  I wish there was a /facepalm emoticon.

There you go!

http://global-4-lvs-turing.opera-mini.ne...cepalm.png

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What about that one ?

(29-06-2011 11:42 PM)Che Guevara Wrote:  http://global-4-lvs-turing.opera-mini.ne...cepalm.png

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What about that one ?

Good one too.

As much as I like the idea of having as much new features in Tropico 4 as possible. Just like another user has already wrote, this idea doesn't really interest me. I will prefer it if the developers focus more on adding more industrial/commercial related buildings and features instead.

And just like all the other discussions about adding in a drug trafficking feature, the main issue is the problem of rating. Such, it can add to the game and it fits into the setting. But you will no longer get the 16 or T rating, which means less copies of the game will be sold.

(21-04-2011 03:42 PM)Little Dragon Wrote:  Tell me, will the game look more attractive with this minor feature ?

Yes, pixelated boobies will make the game more attractive to the average hormone racing 12 year old male.

Unfortunately, their mothers and fathers will not approve of jiggling pixels and thus not buy the game, thus the franchise might as well end with 4 due to poor sales due to jiggling pixelated boobies.

Personal preference for me would be working programmable stop lights over jiggling busts any day of the week.

what T4 really needs is the addition of adding mods.. even dungeons added an interface to help players mod it.

If T4 did this then it would greatly expand the games popularity.. and we can finally end the discussion about how a nip shot is gonna destroy sales from parents keeping the evil nudity from their children in a game that you can assinate people at will, and line up firing squads to kill pregnant mothers...