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On the front pages of the newspapers today: The man who attacked the Labour Party summer camp with 700 teenagers yesterday, killed 84 people at the camp. But it seems that the numbers keep on rising!
The murderer was earlier a Propgress Party member and people who knew him says: "Talking to this guy was like meeting "German leader in the 30's and 40's" before the war started."

This is just shocking. How can someone hate Labour Party that much??? I know some of you Americans aren't big supporters of social democrats either, but killing them? Would you do that??

This guy is not getting out!!!!

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(23-07-2011 12:42 PM)HenryVem Wrote:  ... The murderer was earlier a Progress Party member and people who knew him says: "Talking to this guy was like meeting "German leader in the 30's and 40's" before the war started." ... This guy is not getting out!!!!

@ Henry - It is a national grief which all the people feel and which many of Norway's friends in other countries feel just as acutely. The grief is all the deeper because the poisonous strike came from a viper nurtured in the home garden. There is no "understanding" of the Cain vs Abel equation as described in the Biblical allegory. What is needed is a better understanding of how to recognize the glint of murder in a brother's eye. It's not necessary to know why, but to see it before it becomes an action.



I think too many of the younger people in Norway have forgotten Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling (18 July 1887 – 24 October 1945) the Norwegian politician. On 9 April 1940, with the German invasion of Norway in progress, he seized power in a Nazi-backed coup d'etat that garnered him international infamy. From 1942 to 1945 he served as Minister-President, working with the occupying forces. His government, known as the Quisling regime, was dominated by ministers from Nasjonal Samling, the party he had founded in 1933. The collaborationist government participated in Germany's Final Solution. Quisling was put on trial during the post-war legal purge in Norway and found guilty of charges including embezzlement, murder and high treason. He was executed by firing squad at Akershus Fortress, Oslo, on 24 October 1945. During World War II, quisling became a synonym for traitor.

The viper who struck Oslo and the youth camp on July 23 was not simply a terrorist motivated by an international conspiracy - he is a national traitor who committed treason by war-like acts (bomb and mass murder) against the King, the Constitution, and the peace and good order of the people.

In my opinion, he should be tried not just for a certain number of murders and an amount of property damage, but rather also for treason perpetrated by an attack by violent means on the nation.

And after his conviction, he can follow Quisling into the tomb of infamy.



His profile seems to be very similar to perpetrator of the Oklahoma City Bombing, Timothy McVeigh - accomplices Terry Nichols, Michael and Lori Fortier.
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I usually don't post in this section and I doubt I will, however there's 3 things I'd like to say.

1) I do feel sorry for all the victims of yesterday's attacks and I do hope that those who were wounded fully (as in mentaly and physically) recover.

2) Those who planned and executed these attacks aren't terrorists, they're freaking cowards!
If they're half the man they claim to be, they'd targeted a military base instead of a civilian area.
I never had and never will have any respect for anyone using a cowards way to kill civilians.

3) The main reason why these cowards attack civilians is to cause fear. Fear to get killed in public transport because there might a bomb being hidden in the suitcase of the person sitting next / in front / behind you.
Fear that the strange looking person all the sudden is grabbing his AK-47 from under his coat and start shooting around.
All the international media are increasing that fear by showing the images of what happened a zillion times, to show inverviews of victims etc.
What you don't see is how your goverment is increasing the security by sending more police at the streets, to secure some key structures a little bit more etc because the media isn't showing it.

I've been to London a few days after! the failed attempt of a terrorist (cowards) attack at the Underground. Even a day before I left, I saw an inverview of someone living in London, stating he was afraid to take the Underground because of what happened. What I didn't see was the increased security. I saw that when I had to transfer from the Stanstead Express to the Underground taking me to Kings Cross.
At every platform were 2 uniformed police officers, wearing vests and an M4. Another 4 officers were patroling the lobby. It still makes me wonder how many policemen in civilian clothing were guarding there.

So don't believe what the media is showing us. Often they're repeating an item, just to make sure they have enough viewers. Instead trust your goverment that they know how to react at something like this.


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(23-07-2011 04:36 PM)Thorin Oakshield Wrote:  ... So don't believe what the media is showing us. Often they're repeating an item, just to make sure they have enough viewers. Instead trust your goverment that they know how to react at something like this.

You can level that out quite a bit for the Norwegian media. It seems to me that what was reported by the Norwegian media was very accurate. Unfortunately, they made the same mistake as the short-handed police made about the youth camp part of the incident.

Everyone was mobilized on Oslo so the reports from the youth camp island were regarded as less than accurate when they started coming in.
My intent was entirely about trustworthyness; I don't consider needless repetition to be pertinent to that issue.

Norway Terror: The Power of One? By Bibhu Prasad Routray

The Norwegian police have authoritatively dismissed the involvement of the Jihadi outfits in the July 22 explosion in Oslo city centre, which killed seven people and the subsequent shoot out at an annual summer camp in Utoeya, an island at Oslo’s outskirts, which killed 84 people. Police have dismissed the hoax claim of responsibility issued by an Islamist outfit and charged a lone Norwegian national of involvement in both these incidents. The toll at the island shootout may rise further as divers are still searching for bodies in the waters around the island.

Obviously, the conclusions of the police has been backed by the arrest of the 32-year old Norwegian national Anders Behring Breivik, described to be a far rightwing activist with a Christian fundamentalist outlook. His Facebook and Twitter accounts have not revealed any anti-Islamic outlook. Breivik is being tried under Norway’s anti-terrorism laws, maximum punishment under which is said to be 21 years imprisonment.

His interrogation in due course will provide answers to several critical questions like the following:

Whether the twin attacks involved just Breivik and nobody else? Was Breivik being supported by any far-right group in the country? What sort of indirect support mechanism was available to Breivik as he planned and executed the attack to perfection? How did his elaborate planning and assemblage of explosives and weapons manage to go unnoticed by the law enforcement agencies?

If Breivik is found to have acted on his own, the incidents herald the terror orchestrating capacity of a lone terrorist vis-à-vis the lethality of an organized terror outfit like Al Qaeda and lead one to the conclusion that a self-radicalized (assuming that Breivik was) individual can inflict far more damages than the established terror outfits.

The incident has revealed that few guns in the possession of Breivik did inflict fatalities far larger than his orchestration of a copybook terrorist car bomb explosion using a remote device. This poses fresh challenges to the anti-terror capacities of the states.

Breivik appears to have learnt his lessons both from the Oklahoma city bombing of 1995 and the recurrent shoot outs in schools that take place in several countries including the US and combined them to lethal perfection. In the 1995 attack on the Oklahoma city, Timothy McVeigh, an American militia movement sympathizer, with the help of a handful of co-conspirators had detonated an explosive-filled Ryder truck in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma killing 168 people.

However, to dismiss Breivik as a deranged isolated individual and the attacks as one off incidents would be a serious mistake. Breivik and his possible co-conspirators (if any) are products of a belief system that has some following in Norway and other European countries. This makes the scenario of recurrence of such attacks a valid one.

Irrespective of the negative impact of the incident on the political prospects of the far rightwing parties in Norway, current economic hardships would keep the anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant bigotry of far right groups alive.

Moreover, if the unrest sweeping across the Arab world and North Africa in particular ends up creating a large displaced population and pushes them into Europe, right wing extremism and consequent terrorism would gain a fresh lease of life by articulating more widespread public apprehension about such Muslim immigration.

The gunman simply parked the car in front of the government buildings and this remained unnoticed for several hours, giving him enough time to reach the island and go on a killing spree. Martin Jay in his column July 22 “Terrorists can also be blond, blue-eyed men” in Al Arabiya was bang on target when he wrote “Norway has laid itself open to a Timothy McVeigh character who I suspect made the car bomb himself and detonated it at a distance with a mobile phone.”

In Utoya island, Breivik went on a firing spree for over an hour in the island, choosing his victims at will, injuring and then killing them with shots on their heads, before the police arrived to confront and arrest him. This poses serious questions on the existing abilities of the police force to respond urgently and efficiently to multi-location terror strikes.

Critically, the vulnerabilities of Norway’s open society were exploited to the hilt by Breivik. There is absolutely no reason that the same, left un-mended, would not be exploited by an organised terrorist outfit like Al Qaeda in future.

This necessitates a drastic reform in the way Norway postures on issues of conflict and terrorism. A specialist in playing a mediating role in world wide terrorism, this nation needs to do a little inward looking to discover the loopholes that allowed a lone radicalized man to inflict a horror of this proportion.

It is time that the Peace Research Institute Oslo (PRIO), known for its research findings and recommendations to end insurgency/terrorism in other countries through peaceful means, by promoting ideals like self-determination to take precedence over state sovereignty and also negotiation with terrorists as a conflict resolution technique, spend time and resources on how to mitigate the divisions and emerging radicalization within the Norwegian society.

Norway has two models to choose from to firm up an effective counter-terrorism mechanism -- Indian and American. India has consistently allowed political lethargy, bureaucratic inertia and inter-departmental rivalry to undermine its anti-terror capacities, even after numerous terror strikes. On the other hand, the US has managed to keep its homeland terror free since 9/11 attacks. Most of the US citizens aren’t exactly perturbed about the so-called loss of individual freedom, as long as they are safe from the reach of the terrorists.

(Dr. Bibhu Prasad Routray is an independent analyst based in Singapore and has previously been Deputy Director, India’s National Security Council Secretariat (NSCS). Currently, he is a Visiting Fellow at the Centre for Land Warfare Studies (CLAWS), New Delhi and a Fellow (Counter-Insurgency Studies) at the Takshashila Institution. He can be reached at bibhuroutray@gmail.com )
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My sympathy to HenryVem and all his countrymen. I had a good acquaintance with soldiers from Norway in Kosovo, and found them fine people.

Folk like Anders Behring Breivik are traitors to society, as well as to their country. Those he killed did him no harm. Many lives are touched by his deeds, and the pain of their loss will last. The maximum penalty of 21 years in prison is laughable.

In America, we were attacked by Muslim extremists, and many innocent men, women, and children were slaughtered. We are still at war with these scum terrorists. But it is far worse when they are your own fellow countrymen. I was at Darnall when Major Hasan attacked and killed his fellow soldiers, and saw many wounded (and dead). I was well acquainted with the widow and son of Captain Christopher Seifert, killed by Sgt Akbar.

Many here are young themselves. It is a sad ending to innocence, when you realize that not all men are men of good will, that there is true evil in the world, and that in the end we need good men (and women) to oppose them. All it requires for evil to thrive is for good men to do nothing ... so choose what you are and what you will be.
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Msximum penalty of 21 years of prison is laughable...thats exactly what I wrote in post I deleted. He should be locked up for life and get beaten up by guards every day.
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My condolences for those affected by this tragic event
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You see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_impris..._in_Norway

There isn't a big chance of him getting out of prison Smile

21 years can turn into life imprisonment if the court thinks you still are a threat to society, after 21 years.

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Lifetime imprisonment ? Now we are talking !

According to news report here,he probably had an assistant.

How old are kids in that camp ? 15,16,17 ?
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The kids are between 13 and 22 years old.
My parents didn't allow me to go to the camp this year... I am happy for that now.

Anders Behring Breivik (the killer) says he did it alone, but survivors says there must have been at least 2.

Also, while this is unimportant, he used a Ruger Mini-14 rifle with a silencer, a shotgun and a Glock pistol. The weapons and all ammo was imported from USA.

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@ CoconutKid:

When I say "the media of every country", I mean the media of every country. Including Norway.

"The media" is more than just television these days. It's news papers, television, radio, and all sources of internet, like Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and the like.
A country simply can't pretent something not being shown because of that, so trust me; even in Norway the images of the events are going to be repeated until each and every person has seen them so often, they get sick of it.
And in case you think it's possible: the People's Republic of China has been trying to block several millions of internet sites to make sure the public gets their news only through the national (goverment controlled) newschannels. And up to now they fail.

@ HenryVem: Won't it be easier to have that coward tried and convicted for each and every murder he committed seperately, instead of all at once? That would assure every Norwegian Citizen that the coward is locked up until his bones has turned to dust as well.

Also, I don't think it's important where he got the weapons from. It's more important why he was allowed to have them - if he got a weapon's permit - of why nobody found out that he had them if he didn't have the permit.
I'm also pretty sure several "experts" are going to claim that with his state of mind he never was allowed to have a weapon permit and weapons at home.
That's the "afterwards bullshiit" the so called "experts" come up with to hide the fact they messed up by allowing this coward to have a weapons permit (if he had one); while he was mentally unstable.
Simular thing happened in Alphen-aan-de-Rijn a couple of months ago.
Fact is, one can be as crazy as a doorknob, but as long as it's hidden at the important moments (read: among others, during important tests), no-one notices.

@ BT: There you have it, I'm here. Wink


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Let’s forget about being civilized for a moment, and bring back the days of Draw & Quarter. Treat these barbaric cowards in the same barbaric way. It’s an awfully slow & painful death. This may be a suitable punishment for all terrorists.

It’s just a thought.Wink
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Medieval punishment for medieval crime -_-
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Good to see you posting here, Thorin.
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The terrifying thing about Anders Behring Breivik is that he is representative of a significant number of people in western civilization. Don't mistake me - I believe he acted entirely alone with a very cunning understanding of how to manipulate the public safeguards against what he planned to do. However, he has an indirect, unorganized support group comprised of individuals who share his ideas and attitudes cultural purity. Probably few of those who support his views about "purity" also support his actions to reestablish Norwegian and Western Europe's purity.

One (and only one) of the ways to gage the size of this amorphous group of discontents is to listen carefully to people who complain about Political Correctness! That has become the "code word" used by the misogamists, racists, etc. to complain about the problems they encounter if they openly express their ideas about the way society really should be organized.

The post WWII Civil Rights movement in the U.S. established an improved level of political and legal equality for minorities and women, but it did NOT greatly improve their economic and social equality. Schools and the workplace can be integrated, but look at where people live and party for the true measure of society.

How Anders Behring Breivik is treated will determine if there is any impact on his fellow believers. Will their belief in "purity" be strengthened? He claims to have acted out of love for his country. His attitudes about the government may have been influenced by Ann Rand's writings.

Physical retribution is ridiculous. He should be humiliated along with his political ideas. I would suggest that he should be sent with a few guards to Paris where he would wear a striped jumpsuit with ball & chain and pick-up dog poop off the streets. He'd have to go to Paris because Norway doesn't have a dog poop problem.
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(24-07-2011 04:15 PM)Baltic Trader Wrote:  Good to see you posting here, Thorin.

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It seems he "published" some sort of odd "manifesto."

No, seriously.

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Yes, that is true.
Search for: 2083: A European Declaration of Independence. This is it.

Much of it is copied from the manifesto of Ted Kaczynski.

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@ CK:

Wow! You know how to use colours? Impressive.
Now, if you're also able to read and quote texts well, you might pass to 6th grade next year. Again. Big Grin

If you reread my first post, you'll notice I'd mentioned the "international media" first and "the media" in common later. By quoting only the latter, you misquoted me and made a fool out of yourself.

As for the influence of the media; a couple of weeks ago a female Co-worker of mine called in ill because of the images of Srebrenica shown at Dutch TV, because that arsewipe Mladic was caught. She wasn't ill because of the images itself, but because it reminded her of the horrors she'd seen as a little girl while living in Kroatia during that war.
A similar thing will happen to those who're victims of that cowards attack.
Each and every time he makes the news - being for going to jail, being tried, released, died - they'll remember each and every second of the event and some won't be able to deal with it.

I'm unsure if you realize it or not, but those who got killed were more or less the "lucky" ones, as their moment of pain lasted a short while.
Those who saw it happen, those who tried to prevent it and failed, those who got wounded and managed to survive; those have the worst injury of all: a trauma for the rest of their life; which is often brought back by the media because of their (the media's) lust for sensation.

@ BT: Any bets going on for how long it'll be?
It's indeed not LMA, but I notice the same mistakes happening. Wink

@ Che:
BT and I used to be members of the AIF (Ascaron International Forum), Patrician World Board and Tavern SideRoom together. Though at those boards I had another nick-name.
So it's more P2 / P3 players.

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People, you should read his manifesto. This guy was f'ed up!

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(24-07-2011 06:07 PM)Thorin Oakshield Wrote:  @ CK:

Wow! You know how to use colours? Impressive.
Now, if you're also able to read and quote texts well, you might pass to 6th grade next year. Again.

If you reread my first post, you'll notice I'd mentioned the "international media" first and "the media" in common later. By quoting only the latter, you misquoted me and made a fool out of yourself.

As for the influence of the media; a couple of weeks ago a female Co-worker of mine called in ill because of the images of Srebrenica shown at Dutch TV, because that arsewipe Mladic was caught. She wasn't ill because of the images itself, but because it reminded her of the horrors she'd seen as a little girl while living in Kroatia during that war.
A similar thing will happen to those who're victims of that cowards attack.
Each and every time he makes the news - being for going to jail, being tried, released, died - they'll remember each and every second of the event and some won't be able to deal with it.

I'm unsure if you realize it or not, but those who got killed were more or less the "lucky" ones, as their moment of pain lasted a short while.
Those who saw it happen, those who tried to prevent it and failed, those who got wounded and managed to survive; those have the worst injury of all: a trauma for the rest of their life; which is often brought back by the media because of their (the media's) lust for sensation.

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So you wish to join the parade of posters who take the time and trouble to ridicule me at the expense of taking the thread OT to discuss how socially inept, generally stupid, and otherwise suitable as the butt of unlimited sarcastic comments CoconutKid is.

If I missed the point that you have some sort of mental fixation on the malfeasance of all the media, you have now made it clear. I'll repeat myself. My only intent was to express my opinion that the Norwegian media is a cut above the average on accuracy and can be "believed" conversely to your summary statement that we can not believe what the media displays.

You raise the issue of what triggers problems of "Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder" as if such triggers were entirely the result of media images. I suggest that is a misplaced emphasis. This is a psychological effect which has been observed throughout history, but has correctly diagnosed with general agreement only in this century. I remind you that the U.S. is now flooded with war veterans who have had severe traumatic stress for the entire period of their combat deployment. They do not need media pictures to react; events in everyday life trigger their memories. Their daily life was "traumatic stress."

As cold as it may seem, the Norwegian youth on the island had one short traumatic stress event. They will quickly - with help - regain a normal mental balance. What traumatic stress event did you have with the media?
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@CK,
It's the way you approach people, and your comments thereof. Some day you'll realize this.

@the rest of us,
This is not what I consider a "short taumatic stress event" as CK stated. Only an insensitive person would think that. These are for the most part very young teenagers, that saw horror on a large scale, and many may never recover from it (we could all only hope so). They may hopefully cope with it, but many will not lead their lives as they once would have. These events will haunt them probably for the rest of their lives. I have seen things that still to this day haunt me. A "normal mental balance" may even take years of therapy (if at all), and posibly more years of medication in some form. This is something no one should have seen let alone such young kids. They have lost the rest of their childhood, and innocence. Something that they will never get back.

Physical retribution is exactly what cowardly people like this deserve. It’s time we take the kid-gloves off these human pesticides, and deal with them in the only language they understand. Let’s keep them somewhere that they will be terrorized by a prison population, and not isolate them in some sort of protective custody. They want to act like animals... let’s treat them as animals. My conscious would be clean, and I just might even sleep better.
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One of Anders Behring Breivik's places to post seems to have been Document.no which is described on Wikipedia as:
an Anti-Islam, anti-immigration and pro-Israel citizen journalistic website for political analysis, commentary, essays and reportage. The site is owned and published by the limited company with the same name. Hans Rustad is the founder and editor of the site. The site was started on 14 January 2003, then as a blog, but has since assumed the form of a more ordinary newspaper with an emphasis on international politics. The National Library of Norway classifies document.no under "current periodicals," as an online newspaper focusing on culture, politics and political science. Aftenposten has described it as "an Islam-critical and Israel-friendly, so-called blue-blog". The Norwegian-Pakistani conservative Muslim commentator Mohammad Usman Rana has called document.no "a right-wing populist and Muslimphobic interest group".

Yvonne Rundberg Savosnick, the chairman of the Norwegian Jewish Student Association, recommended the site in an interview with Universitas, stating that although she did not agree with everything on the site, she found relief in what she claims to be the site's "fantastic critical focus on the Norwegian press." [Could that possibly be because the Norwegian Press reports positively or neutrally about Norwegian efforts to mediate the Palestinian vs Israeli conflict? Can the Jewish Students in Norway accept that Israel can't have everything?]

In 2009 the website was cited by Dagbladet as the main player, when for the first time in Norwegian history, "bloggers" was credited for successfully setting the national political agenda. Rustad had on a daily basis criticized a governmental proposed extension of § 185 with regards to "hate speech so that the provision protects the need for a criminal law protection against qualified attack on religions and belief." The proposed bill was met with nearly no exposure in the mainstream media, until close to a month later, although it had been criticizised as an attack on democracy in Danish newspapers. Eventually the bill became criticized as attacking freedom of speech, and an online petition against it was supported by numerous notable figures in Norway. In the end, the government pulled the proposal back. [Could Anders Behring Breivik have considered that yet another failure of the government to take note of his earnest warning about the threat to "pure" society?]


Dagens Næringsliv writes that Breivik sought to start a Norwegian version of the Tea Party movement in cooperation with the owners of document.no, but that they, after expressing initial interest, ultimately turned down his proposal because he did not have the contacts he promised. Due to the media attention on his Internet activity following the 2011 attacks, document.no compiled a complete list of comments made by Breivik on its website between September 2009 and June 2010.
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RE: Norway attacked by terrorists!!!
Hmmmm. Islam critical? I am not particularly fond of Islamic fundamentalism myself. After all, they very much oppose:

Freedom from religious police
Equality issues between men and women
Separation of religion and state
Freedom of speech
Freedom of religion – remember, Muslims who leave Islam "should be executed" after meeting certain requirements – i.e. presence of a Khalifah to propagate the punishment - while the right of non-Muslims to convert to Islam is celebrated.

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(25-07-2011 12:40 AM)Baltic Trader Wrote:  Hmmmm. Islam critical? I am not particularly fond of Islamic fundamentalism myself. After all, they very much oppose:

Freedom from religious police
Equality issues between men and women
Separation of religion and state
Freedom of speech
Freedom of religion – remember, Muslims who leave Islam "should be executed" after meeting certain requirements – i.e. presence of a Khalifah to propagate the punishment - while the right of non-Muslims to convert to Islam is celebrated.

I suggest the fundamentalists of the various religions of the world be set apart somewhere to destroy each other. If you look carefully at Christian fundamentalists, you will find that there are significant groups who match each item you mention above with only the names changed. You might start with the U.S. Southern Baptist denomination -- just as a test mind you. Then ask the Roman Catholic female priests about their hierarchy. The execution stuff is complex, but the largely Christian crowds at Friday night high school football games in Texas probably have little concern with the state's execution rate. It's not hard to find the Christian groups who actively support missions to convert the Jews. Should they really be counted among the other heathens who must be proselytized. It's just recently that the Pope(s) started making nice with the Jews.
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RE: Norway attacked by terrorists!!!
Watched the news yesterday. One man said to his lawyer: Tell him that I hope he ( Breivik ) burns in hell.

One group even tried to attack the van that was transporting Breivik ( or at least they thought it was ).

So lets see...first he will be sentenced for 21 yrs. and after that period he will get lifetime sentence ( read wikipedia article HenryVem gave link to ) Things don't look good for Breivik Cool
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To avoid going off topic in another thread, I decided to copy / paste here as this thread is a lot more on-topic

(26-07-2011 07:23 PM)CoconutKid Wrote:  It's ironic and sad that Norway may now break the record for the longest converage of a court trial since O. J. Simpson's murder trial.

Anders Breivik is not insane. His defense attorney is trying to establish that he is as the only available basis for any defense.

The problem is the hundreds of thousands of other people in western Europe who are in total support of all he believes - with only the lack of guts to take their guns and bombs to kill whomever disagrees with them.

It would be a long and interesting trial, but I suspect the government will take the easy way. The prosecution will accept a plea of insanity and he shall be confined in a cell where no one will hear anything from him for the rest of his life.

Meanwhile, his fellow believers will go on festering in various "puss pockets" across the political scene. Breivik has clearly established that violence is not the exclusive tool of Islam.

And since when actually is the IRA an Islamic organisation?
Or the ULF, the ETA, Action Directe, RaRa, the RAF, Brigada Rosso, the Tamil Tigers and so many other terrorist organisations all over the world? Even the PLO wasn't an Islamic organisation, although many might believe it actually was.

Or am I mistaken and did these organisations use pea-shooters and fireworks to celebrate their nation's independency and all deaths they caused were accidents?

@ BT: Fundamental Christian: LMA.
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(26-07-2011 07:48 PM)Thorin Oakshield Wrote:  To avoid going off topic in another thread, I decided to copy / paste here as this thread is a lot more on-topic

(26-07-2011 07:23 PM)CoconutKid Wrote:  It's ironic and sad that Norway may now break the record for the longest converage of a court trial since O. J. Simpson's murder trial.

Anders Breivik is not insane. His defense attorney is trying to establish that he is as the only available basis for any defense.

The problem is the hundreds of thousands of other people in western Europe who are in total support of all he believes - with only the lack of guts to take their guns and bombs to kill whomever disagrees with them.

It would be a long and interesting trial, but I suspect the government will take the easy way. The prosecution will accept a plea of insanity and he shall be confined in a cell where no one will hear anything from him for the rest of his life.

Meanwhile, his fellow believers will go on festering in various "puss pockets" across the political scene. Breivik has clearly established that violence is not the exclusive tool of Islam.

And since when actually is the IRA an Islamic organisation?
Or the ULF, the ETA, Action Directe, RaRa, the RAF, Brigada Rosso, the Tamil Tigers and so many other terrorist organisations all over the world? Even the PLO wasn't an Islamic organisation, although many might believe it actually was.

Or am I mistaken and did these organisations use pea-shooters and fireworks to celebrate their nation's independency and all deaths they caused were accidents?

@ BT: Fundamental Christian: LMA.
Or have you forgotten?
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