It appears there are quite a few people that feel that staying in office is too easy. While I agree for the most part as I've only had one close call and still didn't need to cheat at it, it got me wondering how many people have managed to lose the vote and get voted out of office so far.

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No, not yet. Quite surpriseed. I'm now starting to play with this... earlier on I slashed pay for the uneducated, and broke up a strike by executing a few of the strikers... and still waltzed the election. Hmm.

It concerns me because if I never have to worry about the vote, then that takes a huge tension out of the game, one that I looked forward to. Fearing an election year where I haven't done what I need to do in my last term was a great tension in Tropico 1, and thus far hasn't been a problem for me in Tropico 3.

I know a lot of things factor into being re-elected in Tropico 3, but it seems that is the culmination of it all, whether you are re-elected or not. So either the game is far too easy for many people, or it's bugged, or we are all just doing everything right and not challenged by the game. All three of those options are unfortunately not the greatest of answers for the person playing the game. For the moment, Im betting all my eggs that I'm just playign it the way that the developers intended me to play it to stay in office and must be the audience they were shooting for, although I'd really like it to bring back that tension that was the elections in Tropico 1 for me.

City Builder Wrote:It appears there are quite a few people that feel that staying in office is too easy. While I agree for the most part as I've only had one close call and still didn't need to cheat at it, it got me wondering how many people have managed to lose the vote and get voted out of office so far.

Please vote and explain if necessary.

Well, in the demo, I didn't lose the election, but I had a military coup, and once also the rebels killed me. The military coup maybe due to the fact I built Soviet base, I was testing, although I built them base too and their salaries were the best and very high. but they seems were too angry with the soviets on the island.

No. I think a big part of the problem is that the speeches are far too powerful. I was able to swing ~25% of the vote once with a speech (and my dictator wasn't even charismatic).

My speeches don't seem to sway anything. I may start with 131 to 79 and end with about 140 to 70 or something along those lines which doesn't seem like any great swing vote. I've yet to experience starting out in a really close vote and have it end up in a huge difference at the end. I did have one close vote but it wasn't really anything major to concern myself about I think.

I rarely get rebels on my island, maybe because Im a nice dictator, I don't know. i get a few and when I see them I usually just change immigration to love it or leave it to try to get rid of the unhappy people, maybe that is why it's so easy for me.

I didn't get voted out of office, but the US did invade. I was drowning in red ink and they kicked me out. Can you believe it, me, El Presidente.

Due to the slowness of construction, I had housing issues and it seems I didn't get a church built fast enough. My folks didn't seem to like that any, so yeah, the booted me from office. The vote was close, but in the end, I lost it. I admit that I've only had that happen once, most of the time if I loose, it is from being invaded by one of the superpowers.

It happens. It depends on the quality of the enemy leader. If he is smart, charismatic and focussing on the right politics.
It is also a question of wages and of how long you deny entertainment, religion and healthcare. If you got no clinic or hospital focussing on money but 600 people the quality of healthcare can drop bottomless thus tearing down your votes.

This came especially with the campaign as you focus on certain goals while you gotta neglect other aspects. So, if you're bored with the sandbox, try the campaign. It is a bit more challenging.

I agree with that assessment, Dukat. The Campaign is definitely part-in-depth-tutorial/part-progressive-challenge.

That said, to the OP's question, I find that it is very easy to secure re-elections as a general rule. Simply time your Tax Breaks and give a targetted speech that addresses the hot issue that most people are thinking about (use the Almanac and periodically check on unhappy people as to what their complaints are), and then hone in on that by promising a change. You also can build credibility from election-to-election if you deliver on your promise (there is an achievement for that which you unlock once you do it).

I havent been voted out yet. I've had some close calls once when I got the llama flu early in the game. I had to many buildings and no enough workers with no new workers coming in. I was broke and couldnt build anything until the flu was over and didnt have enough money for a tax cut. The speech saved me but only by 2 votes. That didnt matter becuase I had a coop a few months later and the traitors won.

I agree that the speech is a little too good. It can really swing an election if you say the right things. If you really in trouble you can also use a tax cut. Both of these will almost always help you.

I got voted out one of the first times i played the demo, can't remember the circumstances though.

I feel sad and humiliated that I've been one of the few people to actually lose the game by vote-out

It happened on a tourism mission. I was far too keen to MinMax everything for tourism, forgoing the islanders' actual needs, as well as the industry.
It was really sad. I was *just* starting to earn that tourism money and building stuff for my own people, and ...

chrono Wrote:I feel sad and humiliated that I've been one of the few people to actually lose the game by vote-out

It happened on a tourism mission. I was far too keen to MinMax everything for tourism, forgoing the islanders' actual needs, as well as the industry.
It was really sad. I was *just* starting to earn that tourism money and building stuff for my own people, and ...

lol, but wait, not all of us played for long, for example I only played the demo. today I got the game, I played quick sandbox god mode, not serious play, and haven't even go through election, as i was going out.

I think military coup is worst, especially when you take care of the military, give them high salary and remove you from office.

City Builder Wrote:It appears there are quite a few people that feel that staying in office is too easy. While I agree for the most part as I've only had one close call and still didn't need to cheat at it, it got me wondering how many people have managed to lose the vote and get voted out of office so far.

Please vote and explain if necessary.

Yes, I got voted out in a sandbox game due to the fact that I just had to much going on at once and could not keep everyone happy. I ended up lossing by more that 70% of the vote, but I also had over 1100 people and over 450 tourists on the island. It was insaine. Hey City Builder, how do you keep up with the electricity usage and the power plants. That game I had 9 power plants and alot of substations but there still was not enough power of all the buildings. Oh, and every time I go to upload my island to the site my game crashes in the middle of the save and I get kicked to my desktop, any ideas...

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City Builder Wrote:It appears there are quite a few people that feel that staying in office is too easy. While I agree for the most part as I've only had one close call and still didn't need to cheat at it, it got me wondering how many people have managed to lose the vote and get voted out of office so far.

Please vote and explain if necessary.

Yes, I got voted out in a sandbox game due to the fact that I just had to much going on at once and could not keep everyone happy. I ended up lossing by more that 70% of the vote, but I also had over 1100 people and over 450 tourists on the island. It was insaine. Hey City Builder, how do you keep up with the electricity usage and the power plants. That game I had 9 power plants and alot of substations but there still was not enough power of all the buildings. Oh, and every time I go to upload my island to the site my game crashes in the middle of the save and I get kicked to my desktop, any ideas...

That sounds amazing, Surfking. How did you deal with infrastructure -- namely, overloading garages and crowded streets? I'd love to see some screenshots of your Caribbean Metropolis!

Surfking61 Wrote:Yes, I got voted out in a sandbox game due to the fact that I just had to much going on at once and could not keep everyone happy. I ended up lossing by more that 70% of the vote, but I also had over 1100 people and over 450 tourists on the island. It was insaine. Hey City Builder, how do you keep up with the electricity usage and the power plants. That game I had 9 power plants and alot of substations but there still was not enough power of all the buildings. Oh, and every time I go to upload my island to the site my game crashes in the middle of the save and I get kicked to my desktop, any ideas...

You had how many people? 1100? It's been widely reported that there is a population cap at 800 to 850. Did they remove that somehow?

Could you take a screenshot of that, I know many people that would be interested to seeing a population over the 850 limiter.

The only way to keep up with the power supply is to pay the workers high wages and hope they stay in the job, the more experience they have the more juice they put out I believe (this may not be correct, on power plants they may just put out 16kw per employee regardless of experience). Other than that, once you've exceeded the power for a fully employeed (all workers) power plant you'll need to just build another one. 9 of them sounds very high. Make sure they all have full workers employed there. If they only employ 1 you only get about 16kw of power out of it, but times that by 8 workers and you get 128kw out of a power plant.

No idea about the crashing, perhaps somebody at Haemimont will chime in, I could only guess that perhaps if you really have 1100 people then your island is huge and maybe it's too large for the upload to succeed at and so it crashes maybe.

I got voted out when playing oilboom custom challenge. Then also one time to prevent myself from losing the election I started a military state and then everyone uprised. And I lost. But that was FUN.

Kaelon Wrote:

Surfking61 Wrote:

City Builder Wrote:It appears there are quite a few people that feel that staying in office is too easy. While I agree for the most part as I've only had one close call and still didn't need to cheat at it, it got me wondering how many people have managed to lose the vote and get voted out of office so far.

Please vote and explain if necessary.

Yes, I got voted out in a sandbox game due to the fact that I just had to much going on at once and could not keep everyone happy. I ended up lossing by more that 70% of the vote, but I also had over 1100 people and over 450 tourists on the island. It was insaine. Hey City Builder, how do you keep up with the electricity usage and the power plants. That game I had 9 power plants and alot of substations but there still was not enough power of all the buildings. Oh, and every time I go to upload my island to the site my game crashes in the middle of the save and I get kicked to my desktop, any ideas...

That sounds amazing, Surfking. How did you deal with infrastructure -- namely, overloading garages and crowded streets? I'd love to see some screenshots of your Caribbean Metropolis!

hey kaelon, well i did not get any screenshots in that game but as you can imagin i had a hhard time keeping up with the demand for garages and also housing. my biggest problem though was the electricity usage. i had so many power plants but ended up with more buildings that required power than what my plants could but out. my main part of the city was so congested people started to rebel against me and eventually they attacked buildings and then i lost the election. oh well. next game i will try to duplicate it and post so screens if i can. My big problem is peoples happiness. No matter what i do i can't seem to get there happiness or say 55% or so. thats with all the edicts and lots of medical and housing and jobs. Any ideas??

answer: no!

one time,
i lost about one third of the votes in 5 months. after i selected to adjust the ballots, the odds were still against me. luckily i remembered my low wages a few days ahead of the results....


i still believe that, after youve made your homework, it becomes nearly impossible to get voted out. if you use mardi gras, food for the people, rents, wages, promises, media, ect. and people will learn to do that. in tropico 1 some levels had such hard odds against you, that is was difficult even for experienced.

im not saying this game makes something wrong, just want to say that there is soo much more potential for challenging maps. sure the timelineeditor lets us create harder levels. i havent messed around with it yet, but it seems to be like the editor in railroadtycoon3 or the "tropical event editor", which are very mighty editors with that allmost every number in the game can be changed.

anyways, i demand a more challenging campaign for the addon. an addon can only be played with the original game, so if people are told that its going to be harder, they wont complain, those who complain, have the standalone allready.