I'd like to see:
# of people homeless - tell me how many buildings I need.
A garage with 2 entrances - one front then one side or back, for those intersections I have
High capacity garages, sure, make them expensive, but oh so worth it!
Shrimp boats?
Party boats for the tourist area
Cruise Liner dock
Aquaculture facilities - Tilapia is easy to grow in above ground cattle water troughs ( not to mention tasty )
CIA/KGB ( you only get one, after an alliance ) Training Center. + experience for your police, -Liberty
High rise buildings, again much more expensive, require power, but you can fit more people in

This is the 1st such sim I've liked ( and I've been playing computer games since I got Bard's Tale for my C-64 ), and I'd love to see more for it.

(27-12-2009 12:24 AM)biomekanic Wrote:  I'd like to see:
# of people homeless - tell me how many buildings I need.
A garage with 2 entrances - one front then one side or back, for those intersections I have
High capacity garages, sure, make them expensive, but oh so worth it!
Shrimp boats?
Party boats for the tourist area
Cruise Liner dock
Aquaculture facilities - Tilapia is easy to grow in above ground cattle water troughs ( not to mention tasty )
CIA/KGB ( you only get one, after an alliance ) Training Center. + experience for your police, -Liberty
High rise buildings, again much more expensive, require power, but you can fit more people in

This is the 1st such sim I've liked ( and I've been playing computer games since I got Bard's Tale for my C-64 ), and I'd love to see more for it.

I'm not sure about having the KGB/CIA/SIS(MI6) actually have a base on your island; perhaps in later stages of the game you can allow your island to be a base of operations for a International Anti-Drug-Trafficking unit. Perhaps allowing for "KGB/CIA/MI6 Technique" edict would be more fitting (With the KGB being more brutal albiet quicker and the CIA/Mi5 being slightly more Time Consuming but accurate)

I like the High-Rise buildings idea, power is for elevators I guess? on that note why not have a Shopping Mall/SuperMarket (Happy time for capitalists, deeply annoy Communists)

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It would be pretty neat to have a small addition to your millitary; realistic of course as a small Carribean Island having a whole Tank Division would be pointless... however a small squad of Civilian-Converted Helicopters (or Chinooks!) would be pretty cool to quickly arrive to a location to help fight off rebels, or even take the fight to them and the ability to order "Seek and Destroy Missions" that will basically kill of a percentage of Rebels depending on your generals + "aviation crews" (college education required) combined skill (divided by something to stop having 100% all the time because you have 12 generals).

Other Additions? GM-Crops Edict would be pretty neat (Increased Output, lowered Enviromentalist relations).

On a purely ashetic note, perhaps allows changing of weapon-models and uniforms? That would probably be a job for skin/model changing mods though I guess.

I wish there were more ways to shape your society, perhaps extra edicts (e.g. agricultural reforms, less profits off farms but increased respect of communists and farmers) and ways to ban factions.

Also more ways to really change the amount of people in a faction, the newspaper and the education options are great, but not powerful enough. I'm not saying people can't join other (illegal) factions, and may well do so due to low liberty caused by changing the population's factions. Perhaps at high schools and colleges there are options for the factions.

Finally, perhaps ways to do the above when creating El Presidente, such as a "Preferred Society" or something along those lines.

i'd like more ways to please factions and more ways to damage the relationship between factions

(27-12-2009 12:24 AM)biomekanic Wrote:  I'd like to see:
# of people homeless - tell me how many buildings I need.

You can already see the number of people living in shacks. Click the overlay on and click on the "services" tab, it looks like a book. You can then click on "occupancy" it tells you in the information panel your average housing satisfaction and how many shacks you have.

The overlay on the island shows how occupied all your accommodation is. Shacks are empty when red and disappear of their own accord if left empty for a shortish period of time, though they can be taken by new occupants. You can delete shacks if you want to, but if you have no other affordable and vacant accommodation the people in those shacks will just build more and probably get a bit less happy!

(30-12-2009 04:48 PM)cafetropicobean Wrote:  

(27-12-2009 12:24 AM)biomekanic Wrote:  I'd like to see: # of people homeless - ... meaning living in shacks?

You can already see the number of people living in shacks. Click the overlay on and click on the "services" tab (it looks like a book). You can then click on "occupancy." It tells you in the information panel your average housing satisfaction and how many shacks you have.

The overlay on the island shows how occupied all your accommodations [citizen housing and tourist 'hotels'] are. Shacks are empty when red and disappear of their own accord if left empty for a shortish period of time, though they can be taken by new occupants. You can delete [bomb/bulldoze] shacks if you want to, but if you have no other affordable and vacant accommodation, the people in those shacks will just build more and probably get a bit less happy!

Bean may kill me at her leisure, elsewhere, for the editing.

Kalypso do see everything. However, they don't take any of our ideas into consideration!

A patch, not necessarily in the expansion, but an indicator of why a citizen is protesting? I never have a clue why.

(30-12-2009 10:28 PM)CarradiceFrench Wrote:  A patch, not necessarily in the expansion, but an indicator of why a citizen is protesting? I never have a clue why.

You can already see this. Click on the message, click on the individual's "happiness" tab and see what they are most unhappy about.

What I'd like to see at some point is mixed gender workplaces (ie all, not just farms/factories). I mean, how come all engineers and journalists are women? And all professors men?

Why, when an English-man and a French-woman had a baby, the baby was Tropican, I don't mind, it keeps the Nationalists happy, it's just a little bit weird. Also, does anyone have problems that when you've built a high school and college that suddenly everyone becomes educated, the school and college go empty and you get a banana economy? I mean, even high school educated people just tend to be unemployed because I am unable to create enough workspaces for them. Why don't they just take a normal job for uneducated!?

(31-12-2009 01:44 PM)CarradiceFrench Wrote:  Why, when an English-man and a French-woman had a baby, the baby was Tropican

A new life is born! And it's of course Tropican. What else?

(31-12-2009 01:44 PM)CarradiceFrench Wrote:  Why don't they just take a normal job for uneducated!?

Don't know your problem... they do take "lower" jobs.

My number one request for an expansion is more music. I love the music in Tropico 1 and 3, but had to turn it off eventually. I can still hear Gata Loca, meow!

Even better, allow me to set up links to play my own music (got some great sounds of Fania that'll go excellently with Tropico) and a radio dial in El Presidente's limo so I can rwd, ffwd, skip, whatever. Out of the way peasant! I'm driving here. *parp parp*

pirate's cove II
please
T2 rocked

Dunno if I'm the only one, but I would like a few more transport options. Not sure exactly what, but the traffic on my island is awful. I notice that even a simple addition of traffic lights would improve the flow of traffic in my city significantly. Maybe have a tile that goes on intersections that allows light? + an option for lights with filter. Wider roads might help too. I'm not saying an expansion dedicated to it, I doubt you could add enough, but I would like any expansion to contain a few things to help. I imagine I lose a whole lot of money in my economy to people being stuck in traffic.

(31-12-2009 01:44 PM)CarradiceFrench Wrote:  Why, when an English-man and a French-woman had a baby, the baby was Tropican, I don't mind, it keeps the Nationalists happy, it's just a little bit weird.

it was born in tropico and is therefore tropican.

Funny. Despite the fact that I'm trying to create a challenge, I've never actually played a challenge all the way through in the original or this one. It's one of those things I keep meaning to get around to. I've always enjoyed the core game. So more challenges aren't that appealing to me.

But some of the previously mentioned stuff like new traits, more avatar options, building options, edict options, night time, stuff like that is appealing to me. I'd like to see the ability to perhaps customize buildings a tad, to give more individuality to islands; a system like what is done with the avatar except with buildings. But still have the option to just to plant buildings willy nilly without getting into all of that. Also, an upgradeable palace, or ability to build new ones to impress the people.

One thing that got me about the original Tropico and this one is that the economy is 100% nationalized and that what mainly sways the US from hating you is either praising them or building industry which is 100% nationalized anyway. But lack of industry isn't why the US gets annoyed with other nations; it's the lack of privatization. We're happy if a nation only has one farm and a cow as long as that cow is owned by XYZ International LLC and not the government (Oh Noes! Socialisms!). I was very excited to see in the challenge editor the ability to privatize buildings, which is why I've been trying to make a challenge: to make a version of the game I want to see. I'd like to see it where the US tends to be more happy when more and more of your economy is privatized and you have to deal with the plus and minuses of doing that. So an expansion of that concept may be cool.

Quote:it was born in tropico and is therefore tropican.

Yes, but a Paki, born a decedent of Pakis, is a Paki. Even if it were born in England.

(06-02-2010 07:33 PM)Juanito Wrote:  

Quote:it was born in tropico and is therefore tropican.

Yes, but a Paki, born a decedent [descendant] of Pakis, is a Paki. Even if it were born in England.

Not that I intend to be condescending or smart-assed, but the nationality of persons - especially new-borns - is determined by the laws of a nation state. Additionally, there is such a thing as dual-citizenship.

Under the game program laws of Tropico, born in Tropico is a Tropican. If for no other reason, only one nationality is in the program for each person. Don't open this racial, ethnic, or whatever of parentage can-of-worms here, please.

(06-02-2010 07:33 PM)Juanito Wrote:  Yes, but a Paki, born a decedent of Pakis, is a Paki. Even if it were born in England.

Speak you mind. I found no racial, or ethnic can of worms being opened. You always seem to speak like a gentleman.

(06-02-2010 07:33 PM)Juanito Wrote:  

Quote:it was born in tropico and is therefore tropican.

Yes, but a Paki, born a decedent of Pakis, is a Paki. Even if it were born in England.

They would also be English.

Though I personally would not consider them a Pakistani if they were not born in Pakistan.

Quote:Though I personally would not consider them a Pakistani if they were not born in Pakistan.

Interesting.

First let me issue the reason why I used the term 'Paki' instead of 'Pakistani', and the reasons are not that I am a lazy writer or racist, I'll have everyone know. So, British are called Brits, Australians are called Aussies, Scottish are called Scots, so what is the problem with calling Pakistanis, Pakis?

Also, I find in my country, England, that Pakis with Paki parents, often speak 'Paki ghetto' or Pakistani in their own home. This does not constitute that they are truly English. I even think of people who speak poor English aren't truly English. Even Pakis who live in nice homes speak 'Paki Ghetto', from what I have found. Either way, one that is born a descendent of a different nationality, is that Nationality, and why would you want to change that anyway? Why would you want to change your heritage from being, say, part of an African Tribe, to another plain British man? It just doesn't make sense, it isn't as though English people flourish other nations and then declare their children South African, just because the child was born in South Africa!

Sorry, now you've let out my political side, I'm a left-wing Conservative, and as all should know, Britain has one of the worst immigration and passport policies that I have ever seen! We have a powerful passport that let's us through to almost every nation because of its message from the Queen found within, and we just give them to people willy-nilly.

Also sorry if you found this offensive, I genuinely did not intend this.

Viva Puerto Principe!

(07-02-2010 01:22 PM)Juanito Wrote:  

Quote:Though I personally would not consider them a Pakistani if they were not born in Pakistan.

Interesting.

First let me issue the reason why I used the term 'Paki' instead of 'Pakistani', and the reasons are not that I am a lazy writer or racist, I'll have everyone know. So, British are called Brits, Australians are called Aussies, Scottish are called Scots, so what is the problem with calling Pakistanis, Pakis?

Also, I find in my country, England, that Pakis with Paki parents, often speak 'Paki ghetto' or Pakistani in their own home. This does not constitute that they are truly English. I even think of people who speak poor English aren't truly English. Even Pakis who live in nice homes speak 'Paki Ghetto', from what I have found. Either way, one that is born a descendent of a different nationality, is that Nationality, and why would you want to change that anyway? Why would you want to change your heritage from being, say, part of an African Tribe, to another plain British man? It just doesn't make sense, it isn't as though English people flourish other nations and then declare their children South African, just because the child was born in South Africa!

Sorry, now you've let out my political side, I'm a left-wing Conservative, and as all should know, Britain has one of the worst immigration and passport policies that I have ever seen! We have a powerful passport that let's us through to almost every nation because of its message from the Queen found within, and we just give them to people willy-nilly.

Also sorry if you found this offensive, I genuinely did not intend this.

Viva Puerto Principe!

If you genuinely did not intend to be offensive why are you using a term that you know is considered racist/offensive in the UK? Wouldn't it have been just as easy NOT to use it?

Using the term "Pakis" is different to using the term "Brits" or "Aussies". The term "Pakis" has a very recent history of being used as racial intimidation and still is.

Also there is no such language as Pakistani or "Paki Ghetto", as you choose to term it. There are several languages spoken by people in or from Pakistan, Urdu, the most common, and Punjabi are two of them.

(07-02-2010 01:28 AM)Tropico Bob Wrote:  ... I found no racial, or ethnic can of worms being opened. ...

It was set out on the table, and it has since been opened.

Under the laws of some nations, citizenship follows parentage (or at least one of them) regardless of place of birth; under the laws of some other nations, citizenship is a birthright, i.e. one born within the boundries is instantly a citizen.

Citizenship law is a labyrinth. The language spoken in a home seldom has anything to do with it. Commentary on the use of languages is often a convient cover for expressing prejudice actually based on ethnicity and/or religion.

I do not follow what all this discussion of Pakistanis in 'England' and English in South Africa has to do with the game Tropico.

(07-02-2010 04:26 PM)CoconutKid Wrote:  It was set out on the table, and it has since been opened.

I do not follow what all this discussion of Pakistanis in 'England' and English in South Africa has to do with the game Tropico.

It was not set out on the table until you put it there with the remark of "Don't open this racial, ethnic, or whatever of parentage can-of-worms here, please". I'm pretty sure this would have not went any further, if you didn't make that statement. You made your point, and that portion should have been left out.

Does this have any bearing to this thread? Of course not. However, it was not initiated by Jaunito. It came about several posts earlier, and he commented on it, as some others did.

When I stated that he "speak his mind", I was not looking for a racial war. What I meant was to speak his mind as to the game, and how it related to the game. Any other remarks should have been made on a new thread, and I have discussed it with him via PM. I also took into consideration that he is 16 years old (didn't realize this until I viewed his profile).

Up until his last post, I thought he spoke like a mature gentleman on many of his comments for his age.

Well, I'm tired of this debate, let us return to the topic of Tropico.

Juanito, I'm warning you for starting this pointless argument. Your comment was absolutely uncalled for and inappropriate.

Any more off-topic posting beyond this and I will proceed to delete your posts and lock this thread.

Quote:Juanito, I'm warning you for starting this pointless argument. Your comment was absolutely uncalled for and inappropriate.

Any more off-topic posting beyond this and I will proceed to delete your posts and lock this thread.

I believe I was sticking up for myself, and I said sorry for taking it off-topic. Also, I have noticed how many people are having problems with their game, one including me in which I have informed Kalypso over five times now. Maybe you guys should sort it out?

(07-02-2010 01:22 PM)Juanito Wrote:  I even think of people who speak poor English aren't truly English.

Quote:An Englishman's way of speaking absolutely classifies him,
The moment he talks he makes some other
Englishman despise him.
One common language I'm afraid we'll never get.
Oh, why can't the English learn to set
A good example to people whose
English is painful to your ears?
The Scotch and the Irish leave you close to tears.
There even are places where English completely
disappears. In America, they haven't used it for years!
Why can't the English teach their children how to speak?
Norwegians learn Norwegian; the Greeks have taught their
Greek. In France every Frenchman knows
his language fro "A" to "Zed"
The French never care what they do, actually,
as long as they pronounce in properly.
Arabians learn Arabian with the speed of summer lightning.
And Hebrews learn it backwards,
which is absolutely frightening.
But use proper English you're regarded as a freak.
Why can't the English,
Why can't the English learn to speak?

(07-02-2010 05:37 PM)Timo Wrote:  Juanito, I'm warning you for starting this pointless argument. Your comment was absolutely uncalled for and inappropriate.

Any more off-topic posting beyond this and I will proceed to delete your posts and lock this thread.

I'm just curious Timo. You wanted this put to rest, and you let Assen to continue adding more fuel that would require a response. It shouldn't matter who continues this. Assen is no one special, and in all fairness his statement should be deleted.