(31-07-2010 10:00 AM)Clayman Wrote:
(31-07-2010 09:46 AM)Kyerea Wrote: The backstory for the Orcs in D3 is incredibly weak to say the least. I think they are the least viable option for an additional race. The sea dwellers/Naga are a better option since they are wrought from Gallean's hand. There would be an interesting dichotomy at play there story-wise b/w themselves, the Elven Alliance and the Dwarves.
First of all, the Merfolk were created by Solonielle the goddess of life, now known as Mortis the fleshless goddess. Sure, there isn't much Greenskin lore, but it happens that we know more of them than any of the other non-playable races. Dark Elves are a good second alternative for a new race, due to their past and their god, the insane Gallean.
(31-07-2010 09:46 AM)Kyerea Wrote: As it is now, they need to fix the effing bugs so the game's playable. Then we can worry about another race in the expansion that's supposed to be coming out in the RF during November.
Way to miss the point of the thread. I agree, bugs should be first priority, but in this thread we're discussing beyond the first two expansions (the first being undead and second the mountain clans).
I didn't miss the point of the thread.
Anyways, my Disciples lore has been off and shit since I only just started playing D3 again after a what, 3 year hiatus from Nevendaar? Chillax kid, I messed up the bint's name, big deal.
Anyways, the Greenskins are still extremely lackluster as an additional race backstory wise. Unit-wise it's entirely plausible, but they gotta do something about their almost non-existent role in the greater story of Nevendaar. Dark Elves? Uh, like every other game or fantasy backstory doesn't have that these days. That's something you possibly want to stray from. Hell, even W40K has Dark Eldar (Dark Space Elves). I personally think the current race line-up is fine since the other two need to be released. But yes, the Merfolk are still a better option (called 'em Naga since that's the lolWarcraft terminology for a similar backstory i.e. related to their version of High Elves). And the point of this thread is putting that race suggestion through the ropes. Expect rhetoric.
I also advise Valentine, that you change a bit of the beginning of your backstory so it doesn't sound ripped from the "Orks" in Warhammer Fantasy/40K i.e. Waaaagh [insert Orky name here with 3 exclamations!!!] that swept across the planet/galaxy respectively. Try something that seethes with Disciples out of every pore. It is hard to do anything that hasn't been done already with the Orcs, but a little more originality into this dichotomy wouldn't hurt (though I do kind of like the aspiring God idea). Maybe more of an underdog story? Or if the Orcs are the descendants of a once proud and ancient race that was brought low/disfigured by some petty God's curse? Thus resulting in the banishment/imprisonment/or death of their God. Being Godless, they had to struggle for recognition, then some prophecy is foretold which would result in a being born that would be the rebirth of their long dead God, et cetera...
You can see where I'm going from there, either way, even a little more originality can go a long way. Just trying to offer some creative input, would rather not see more of the same stuff for Orcs.
(28-07-2010 06:00 PM)Merchant of Tartarus Wrote:
(28-07-2010 05:39 PM)mACAk Wrote: BTW it is better to make Ashliga God for all greenskin, they mention her before and we can have (maybe fusion orcs/goblins with medusas), instead rise new God.....
The thing is, Gromdok IS a god. This is canon. I just think he's a minor god, not on par with the Big 4. My story idea isn't that some non-divine character wants to ascend to godhood, but that of a demigod wanting to join the higher pantheon.
Ashliga (can't remember the correct spelling) is also a demigod like Gromdok. I don't see why she should be the greenskins' god over Gromdok at all.
Gromdok is technically the Greenskin's closest thing to a divine entity. Ashliga is only a Demigod, though should not be ruled out completely. Either way, I'd like to see a backstory less simplistic and stereotypical for the Greenskins. Or Hell, just go with the Merfolk who already have a whole damned Mythos backing them up (not to mention could be considered Godless).