I just got this idea of having another Golden Statue/Christ the Savior style building: The Tropico National Library.

Effect:
A large world class library that will convert some citizens to Intellectuals on completion. Will increase the respect of the Intellectuals and may be on their list on minor demands. Also gives a small increase to the total tourism rating by 5 due to the researcher being attracted to the island to use the facility.

In-game description:
You are really the smartest person on the planet El Presidente! By building this world class national library you show the eggheads that you take the education of the Tropican people very seriously. Just by being closr to this building already makes me feel smarter! But how will your deeds be remembered by the pages of history?

Statistics:
Price:50000
Upkeep: 60
Building Points: 500
Workers: 1 (Professor, college educated)
Tropican/Tourist serviced: 10
Fee: Education is always free in Tropico
Base service quality: 75

Work modes:
'Classical Works' - The library contains the classic works of literary that lasted though the test of time. 5% chance of increase to the intelligence of the visitors.
'The Wealth of Nations' - The library contains the works of Adam Smith, Milton Friedman, and all other famous economist and pro-capitalist ideologue. Increase the respect of the Capitalist by 10. 10% chance that visitors will become Capitalist.
'Collected Works of El Presidente' - The library is dedicated to collecting the writings of El Presidente. Everything from your poorly written novels to your 2000 pages on your plans for the future can be found here. Increase the respect of the Loyalist by 10. 10% chance that visitors will become Loyalist.
'The Communist Manifesto' - The library contains the revolutionary writing of the famous socialists around the world. From Karl Marx to Friedrich Engels; from El Che to Mao. Increase the respect of the Communist by 10. 10% chance that visitors will become Communist.
'The Will of God' - The library collects the works of famous theologians and religious philosophers. Increase the respect of the Religious by 10. 10% chance that visitors will become Religious.
'Science Today' - All the latest laser edge scientific journals and research pages can be found here. Further increase the respect of the Intellectuals by 10. 10% chance that visitors will become Intellectuals.

What do you guys think?

I can see that this has been well thought out and you put a fair amount of effort into it. Well done for that. However I can't say that I see much point to it due to the numorous buildings in the game that already do very simelar things. There is already a lot of buildings that increase a factions respect and already more entertainment buildings then I ever need to use in the game. So this just seems kinda redundant to me.

I love the idea, but i would tweak it a little.



to balance this to keep it from being way better than a papper, lower the amounts of respect gained but add a few other functions to make it different..


i love the idea about switching citizens faction as well. right now the only building i can think of off hand that does this is the grade school. to me thats the biggest boon of this building.

all visitors get a learning boost for the next 6 months, making them learn what ever job they have faster. this would be an alternative to learning with larry, and placement wouldnt mater as anyone that visits would gain the bonus. perhaps the boost is greater than the larry boost, but seeing you would have to visit it wouldnt help everyone.

Id change 1 male, to 2 females, we need some intelectual women on the island for all those collage professors besides i wanna see some hot libraians on my island !

Size? how about half the size of a newspapper? perhaps a little larger, this would allow you to place a few around the island with different settings. if you have muliple islands, citizens would tend to go visit the one that fits their faction the most. So like a militariest leader, wouldnt goto the religious library, but instead would seek out the military one as it fits them more.



upgrades,

gift shop, Increase tourist rating

computers, Increases the qaulity of service, (needs power and a statlite dish)

(12-08-2010 09:14 PM)Vimpster Wrote:  I can see that this has been well thought out and you put a fair amount of effort into it. Well done for that. However I can't say that I see much point to it due to the numorous buildings in the game that already do very simelar things. There is already a lot of buildings that increase a factions respect and already more entertainment buildings then I ever need to use in the game. So this just seems kinda redundant to me.

I can understand why you would think that way. However, there are three reasons why I had this idea I had:

(1) Personally for me, it isn't possible for a city building game to have 'too much building options' (or any other options for that matter). It is like how it is impossible for a FPS game to have too many different types of guns. Sure, you might ended up not constructing all the building available, it still leaves the door to different play styles.

(2) Just like Tropi'je has stated, so far there are only a few building in the game that allows you to convert citizens to a different faction. Even so, your options are rather limited. By having this building you can influence which political faction will have more members in the long run.

(3) When compared to SimCity, the different kinds of public services that your citizens seems rather limited. I thought that by having more building that they use, the game will be more realistic and enjoyable.

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(13-08-2010 09:30 AM)Tropije Wrote:  I love the idea, but i would tweak it a little.



to balance this to keep it from being way better than a papper, lower the amounts of respect gained but add a few other functions to make it different..


i love the idea about switching citizens faction as well. right now the only building i can think of off hand that does this is the grade school. to me thats the biggest boon of this building.

all visitors get a learning boost for the next 6 months, making them learn what ever job they have faster. this would be an alternative to learning with larry, and placement wouldnt mater as anyone that visits would gain the bonus. perhaps the boost is greater than the larry boost, but seeing you would have to visit it wouldnt help everyone.

Id change 1 male, to 2 females, we need some intelectual women on the island for all those collage professors besides i wanna see some hot libraians on my island !

Size? how about half the size of a newspapper? perhaps a little larger, this would allow you to place a few around the island with different settings. if you have muliple islands, citizens would tend to go visit the one that fits their faction the most. So like a militariest leader, wouldnt goto the religious library, but instead would seek out the military one as it fits them more.



upgrades,

gift shop, Increase tourist rating

computers, Increases the qaulity of service, (needs power and a statlite dish)

Thanks for your comments! I really like the ideas that you have! But I would imagine that just like other types of building in the game that automatically increase the respect of a faction (Eternal Flame, Christ the Savior, Golden Statue), only one can be built for game play balancing purposes.

I really like the learning boost idea. Since this is a middle to late game building, it will really help with having an experience workforce. Imagine how powerful an Intellectual Presidente can be! (Background: Professor + Traits: Scholarly + Literacy Program Edict + Spelling Bee Grade School +Learning With Larry TV Station + Library = Absolutely Powerful Workforce)

Where's the workmode that relates to the militarist faction?

Military History of Tropico : The library contains books about our history of war, as well as gun-nut books and magazines. Increases the respect of the militarists, and visitors have 10% chance of being militarist supporter or sign up for the army.

(13-08-2010 02:55 PM)Chris Jacobs Wrote:  Where's the workmode that relates to the militarist faction?

Military History of Tropico : The library contains books about our history of war, as well as gun-nut books and magazines. Increases the respect of the militarists, and visitors have 10% chance of being militarist supporter or sign up for the army.

I had that idea when I wrote the thread. But I was tired and got lazy so I skipped though it.

Anyway, thanks for adding it!

I think it's a very very nice idea. But I disagree with the presence of only a worker: there should be a professor and TWO secretaries. (This is good for those who seek a way to give intellectual jobs to the Tropicians).

(16-08-2010 05:07 PM)ChOmuno Wrote:  I think it's a very very nice idea. But I disagree with the presence of only a worker: there should be a professor and TWO secretaries. (This is good for those who seek a way to give intellectual jobs to the Tropicians).

I dunno if different types of jobs at a singe structure will work with the current engine.

I'm not a dev, but it's a concern.

(16-08-2010 05:07 PM)ChOmuno Wrote:  I think it's a very very nice idea. But I disagree with the presence of only a worker: there should be a professor and TWO secretaries. (This is good for those who seek a way to give intellectual jobs to the Tropicians).

Perhaps there can be more workers but instead of having different types of them there can be some collage educated female liberians just like the ones Tropi'je suggested in his post.

The reason that I thought there shouldn't be too much workers was because the other buildings in the game that serves a very similar function (Eternal Fame, Golden Stature, etc) doesn't have any workers at all.

(13-08-2010 02:55 PM)Chris Jacobs Wrote:  Where's the workmode that relates to the militarist faction?

Military History of Tropico : The library contains books about our history of war, as well as gun-nut books and magazines. Increases the respect of the militarists, and visitors have 10% chance of being militarist supporter or sign up for the army.

ahh yea would need this one too..




what about if you could have muliple libraries of the same type, like up to 3?? or even 5 like banks? You could perhaps convert most of the poulation to being certain factions, im sure it would be a boon to the intelectuals too.

just a thought

(17-08-2010 12:53 AM)Tropije Wrote:  

(13-08-2010 02:55 PM)Chris Jacobs Wrote:  Where's the workmode that relates to the militarist faction?

Military History of Tropico : The library contains books about our history of war, as well as gun-nut books and magazines. Increases the respect of the militarists, and visitors have 10% chance of being militarist supporter or sign up for the army.

ahh yea would need this one too..




what about if you could have muliple libraries of the same type, like up to 3?? or even 5 like banks? You could perhaps convert most of the poulation to being certain factions, im sure it would be a boon to the intelectuals too.

just a thought

Although this is a really interesting idea, I thin that it is a bit overpowering if you can build too much libraries. Currently in the game all the other types of faction converting can only be built ones for gameplay balancing reasons.

Is there any type of upgrades for the library that you guys can thing of?

Imo, National lib'ries may be just suitable for big mainland countries only, while Tropico is just a small isle.

But, I won't go vs this idea.

(17-08-2010 03:35 AM)Little Dragon Wrote:  Imo, National lib'ries may be just suitable for big mainland countries only, while Tropico is just a small isle.

But, I won't go vs this idea.

The numbers in Tropico are more like representative figures. I mean, even if every single inch of your island is fully developed, you population will still be only around 1000 people. However, you will still get important enough for both the Soviets and the Americans to spend money influencing you and play a large role in the global economy and make lots of money.

Also, if you want to look at a small country in real life, take Singapore. A country that is literally just a single city. The country is the very definition of an illiberal democracy or benevolent dictatorship, complete with anti-litter laws, lots of death penalty, and social welfare. Yet despite being a small country, they do have their own National Library. And remember, Singapore is a country with very little natural resources other then it's geographical location. When Tropico can potently be rich with both oil and minerals. So I don't see any reason why Tropico can't have it's own National Library.

You may be right.

My point of view may be influenced by the real life in Carribean countries which weren't research centers before. That's why Nat.Libry may be not an essential in Tropico.

Singapore? It's located in the Far East and does not belong to Carribean style.

(17-08-2010 09:44 AM)Little Dragon Wrote:  You may be right.

My point of view may be influenced by the real life in Carribean countries which weren't research centers before. That's why Nat.Libry may be not an essential in Tropico.

Singapore? It's located in the Far East and does not belong to Carribean style.

I am very well aware of where Singapore is. After all, I visited the country last year. The reason why I used Singapore as an example was because I wanted to point out that even a small country can still have their own national library. It has nothing to do with being 'Caribbean style'.

Simply put, a country's size has nothing to do with whether or not that they have a library or not. Speaking of which, is there a country in the world that is so poor or small that they don't even have a single library or archive? Not that I know of.

Anyway, I respect you opinion. I am just pointing out that my idea is reasonably realistic when compared to all the other things in the game (same sex marriage in the 1960s, a country with just 1000 people at most, Eastern European style TV Towers in the Caribbean, etc).

Sincerly saying T1 reacted the real style of the Caribbean countries during the 1950s, backwards, poorness, low technic level,..., so your proposal might sound so aristocratic with it.

But, now with T3 your proposal might be worth consideration and why not?
Note that in T3 AP, Tropico even has missile and alien contact programs, lol.

I think T3AP has gone too far away from the description of Caribean real life of 1950s. Tell me, which Carribean country now can do like that? Lol

After T3AP, I'm feeling that life in T3 is not a Caribean style anymore but somewhere in the world. And, where? I don't know.

(17-08-2010 01:23 AM)chankljp Wrote:  

(17-08-2010 12:53 AM)Tropije Wrote:  

(13-08-2010 02:55 PM)Chris Jacobs Wrote:  Where's the workmode that relates to the militarist faction?

Military History of Tropico : The library contains books about our history of war, as well as gun-nut books and magazines. Increases the respect of the militarists, and visitors have 10% chance of being militarist supporter or sign up for the army.

ahh yea would need this one too..




what about if you could have muliple libraries of the same type, like up to 3?? or even 5 like banks? You could perhaps convert most of the poulation to being certain factions, im sure it would be a boon to the intelectuals too.

just a thought

Although this is a really interesting idea, I thin that it is a bit overpowering if you can build too much libraries. Currently in the game all the other types of faction converting can only be built ones for gameplay balancing reasons.

Is there any type of upgrades for the library that you guys can thing of?

i guess it all depends.. If you made it so every library of the opposite faction cause dislike to another group.. or increased rebels that could be fun.

Just think, 5 military librarys.. You know those intelecuals arnt gonna put up with that.. To arms my brothers ! let us overthrough el presidente and his militarist ways !


secondary effects to balance the main effect. I think it could work. have 5 libraries one of each it all balances out, people stay about the same rate, if you set the torpcians to visit the one that they are a faction memember of.

set all 5 to one or 2 factions, maybe that would cause some civil unrest.

better hope your arm is well staffed and well spaced.. you might find an increase in rebels and attacks.

(17-08-2010 12:20 PM)Tropije Wrote:  

(17-08-2010 01:23 AM)chankljp Wrote:  

(17-08-2010 12:53 AM)Tropije Wrote:  

(13-08-2010 02:55 PM)Chris Jacobs Wrote:  Where's the workmode that relates to the militarist faction?

Military History of Tropico : The library contains books about our history of war, as well as gun-nut books and magazines. Increases the respect of the militarists, and visitors have 10% chance of being militarist supporter or sign up for the army.

ahh yea would need this one too..




what about if you could have muliple libraries of the same type, like up to 3?? or even 5 like banks? You could perhaps convert most of the poulation to being certain factions, im sure it would be a boon to the intelectuals too.

just a thought

Although this is a really interesting idea, I thin that it is a bit overpowering if you can build too much libraries. Currently in the game all the other types of faction converting can only be built ones for gameplay balancing reasons.

Is there any type of upgrades for the library that you guys can thing of?

i guess it all depends.. If you made it so every library of the opposite faction cause dislike to another group.. or increased rebels that could be fun.

Just think, 5 military librarys.. You know those intelecuals arnt gonna put up with that.. To arms my brothers ! let us overthrough el presidente and his militarist ways !


secondary effects to balance the main effect. I think it could work. have 5 libraries one of each it all balances out, people stay about the same rate, if you set the torpcians to visit the one that they are a faction memember of.

set all 5 to one or 2 factions, maybe that would cause some civil unrest.

better hope your arm is well staffed and well spaced.. you might find an increase in rebels and attacks.

Building a library might lead to the country going into civil unrest and increase rebel attacks? There is no way that this is going to work. Citizens starting an armed uprising over books kept at the library is just too ridiculous and is way beyond any reasonable suspension of disbelief (Even by Tropico 3 standards).

Just follow the examples of all the other faction converting buildings that already exist in the game (Gold Stature, Christ the Savior, Eternal Flame). You can only build one and it can only serve one faction.

How so? they cause civil unrest if you dont have entertainment.. dont build churches you get religoius turning rebel cause they cant goto church

try issueing book burning.. let me know if that makes any rebels as it just might push people over the edge..


an island with 5 militarist librarys, could surely push a intelecual over the edge to protest more, or become rebels thats completly in the realm of tropican politics