Just discovered this "feature."

..please change it before I go insane.

I haven't seen one thing mentioned that I think is pertinent here, and that is that the AI cheats. At least, I assume it does, as it sure did before.
While I think it is nonsense to own a lumber-producing business and yet have to buy my lumber from the town in order to build, I realize that is how this new game works and I try to learn to work with it as such. I may even learn to appreciate it, as I recall having founded my own city in P3, and having the AI come in and put down 23 wineries all at once, while I couldn't even get my wall built or finish the town, or build anything of my own.
If nothing else, I appreciate this new system because I can manipulate the order in which things are built.

EDIT: I got sidetracked and forgot to finish my point: However, can I manipulate the build order if the AI cheats, and builds 23 wineries at once? Maybe building will happen faster than it did in the old game, which is a plus in this scenario, but before I can continue my own progress, I will have to source and supply all the building materials for the AI's 23 wineries, under the current system. That's just wrong.

Okay...I don't really see the big problem, I only played P2 before P4 and well I was playing that untill my P4 arrived today-ish(1:45AM now). Only thing I thought when I started building "Oh that's different". It might be beside the point.

But aren't you making things easier if you let the workers take it from the warehouse? (not that it wouldn't save me trouble hehehehe)

Btw I have no opinion on this all hehehe....I really don't care whether they take it from my warehouse, ships, market or they get it from the moon as long as they get it ^^;

I'm not sure, but reading all those responses on here makes me almost think that I shouldn't have thought as P4 as a new game instead of a follow up thingy. Because then maybe, maybe I would think and argue more about it. Or maybe it's because that I never played P3, that I don't feel so, hmmm not sure if uptight is the right word here. Well If I find the right word I'll let ya know >.o

I also dont think this is a big problem. Slow reload time during manual fights bothers me much more at the moment. However I d prefer this feature to be changed so that you dont have to sell building meterials to be able to build structures in town. Getting rid of a competition is a pain in the ass especially when it comes to houses and AI usually build houses so you have to keep a close eye at the business-houses ratio. If you forget about this for a moment chances are you ll get a couple of new competition houses built from you own materials.

Well the houses and farms (meaning brick and wood) will do the way it is at the moment. But ships (meaning wood, cloth, pitch and iron goods) are a pain in the ass, in the "starting phase" of the game. So at the moment you are forced to capture the needed ships from pirates, till you have build up a good suppley for some towns, so the marked has allways enought hemp, cloth, pitch, iron goods and wood to build ships. I hate to sell everything to the town and the town or a AI trade decides one day before the yard to buy all wood, or iron goods or cloth, so my ship will need another month to be build.

Hein

Was this ever fixed in the addon?

(09-04-2011 08:53 PM)Zogundar Wrote:  Was this ever fixed in the addon?

No.


Thorin

..I just don't get that.

Guess I won't bother buying the expansion.

May be a pain in the rear, but this scheme of forcing you to sell to the market would seem to benefit the "architects guild" and so they would do it this way, right?

(09-04-2011 11:25 PM)Zogundar Wrote:  ..I just don't get that.

Guess I won't bother buying the expansion.

If you want to have the expansion just because you hoped it would change the current building system with the one we know from Pat 2/3, yes, you better not buy it.

However, the expansion offers a lot more reasons to buy it. Think of things like improved gameplay, more cities, more missions, better graphics.
If that isn't enough for you to buy the expansion, I don't know what else you demand, except for taking building materials from your own warehouse.

Personally I find that the game has improved a lot with this add on, despite the fact it doesn't contain all things I would like to see. And I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking that way.

Thorin

(10-04-2011 12:34 AM)ZXTT95 Wrote:  May be a pain in the rear, but this scheme of forcing you to sell to the market would seem to benefit the "architects guild" and so they would do it this way, right?

Architects guild?

I wish they would at least make it a toggle option. I would have bought the expansion for that feature alone.

I never did buy Patrician IV, for this very reason. It's pretty much the way I played Patrician III: first, save up enough materials in the warehouse, then load up a hulk (or two or three), and show up at the city I want to build in with the materials. If I do that, and the city uses my materials to build it's growth, well that is a punishment on me. Opposite of fun.

Which is too bad. Patrician III was my all-time favorite game.

my argument on this would be that it should be changed to the way P3 was, because it what would happen in real life

the game attempts to provide a realistic trading simulation based on a set time in history

if that is not the main purpose then what is the point of using the cities its using, with the specific production items per city (yes i know you can randomise them)

however i dont think waiting for materials to be in your warehouse before you can order the facility is needed (if you want a realistic simulation).

My first post here so Hello evrebody

This thread definetly forced me to register to put my 5 bricks on it

Well,first of all it is quite unlogical for a investor to order a build(mobile or imobille) and let the executor take the supply from the local market while his storrage is fully loaded with them and actually loading the same market by few reasons :
1.The cost of the mats he produced is much cheaper from those that would be purchased from the market,wich in general will low the price of the building/ship etc...
2.Mats laying in the storrage are taking precious space wich in some cases(fire for example in the early stage of the game)will cost heavy,wich will actually increase the amount invested in the building quite much.

Not a historical jeek but I presume that in the past rich people did quite the same -providing the materials(wich they produce or can find cheaper) to the executors and let them fill what is left from their trade routes-whatever the guy has in his possetion.


Gamewise:
In the early stage my practice is to send the provided snaika on a route to generate some money so I can build a cryer.
As my starting town is Reval the trade route goes all around the towns up to Oslo and back,but there is quite a luck drawn into my next progress step : Would that snaika be fast enough to produce the needed money for the upcomming cryer so I can order it before the competitor,or will I be forced to deliver the so needed cloth(most recently)so his ship is finished and I have to start mine(again canceling the autoroute to deliver more cloth),while the delivered cloths are beeing taken by the clothing producers wich ends up into more clothing delivering untill the shipyard is able to cut its portion in case there is no need of pitch,metal goods or wood wich again sends me back at the start of cloth delivering....
That sounds freaky but it does happend like that even in later stage of the game.
So to clear the example :In Reval there is a great need of Cloth and Metal Goods wich I have stored(later in game)in my counting house so teh pelts and clothing production can run smoothly.Than I order a ship wich needs those 2 goods,but before the ship building starts town market feeds the needs of the competitor for his production than the shipyard takes his needed resources.
Why should I help him develope his buisness while he is backstabbing me with assasination on my own buisness?
Since the tribute to the prince is taking the mats from the counting house it seems quite possible for the other functions to do the same.

Another point into the taking mats from the counting house:
When a fire pops out,normally the warehouses are burnt(with some luck few of them starts to rebuild asap)but my houses and my production facilities are the last in line to be rebuild while I am delivering the most mats to the city and suffering biggest losses(cutted production of some goods lows the production of others)-that is quite unfair and economy+logically untrue...


So Shortly-Take goods from warehouse Please

I didn't really like this aspect either, but I can see why they did it. It used to be possible to freeze out your enemies by never letting them have any materials, but now it's a bit more fair. I'm not really wild about destroyed buildings being automatically rebuilt, either. Or I should say I wasn't, until I saw how often something catches on fire. I am also glad that you can directly buy buildings from the enemy even if they want way too much for anything.

There are only two things that still really bug me about P4.

The way combat works. I should be able to send 50 ships at a pirate convoy and come back with 55+ ships, like the good ole' days.
The other is the stupid harbor bell that rings in the back ground. Not the one that rings when a ship docks, but the other one.
The only way to get it to shut the hell up is to turn all the sound off all the way, and it is obnoxious.

(27-01-2012 04:11 PM)Atmus Wrote:  The other is the stupid harbor bell that rings in the back ground. Not the one that rings when a ship docks, but the other one.
The only way to get it to shut the hell up is to turn all the sound off all the way, and it is obnoxious.

does that part
in the option.cfg helps?

(27-01-2012 05:07 PM)Falko Wrote:  

(27-01-2012 04:11 PM)Atmus Wrote:  The other is the stupid harbor bell that rings in the back ground. Not the one that rings when a ship docks, but the other one.
The only way to get it to shut the hell up is to turn all the sound off all the way, and it is obnoxious.

does that part

Code:

[Sound]
MoneySub = 0
...
MoneyAdd = 0

in the option.cfg helps?

I certainly hope so, and when I get home, I will find out!