It seems to be a problem with 17 cloth not being accepted by the Lord in every instance where he asks for cloth.

This bug is repeatable. There is no problem with making tributes where cloth is not required.

Windows XP SP3 did the trick, Oh by the way Micosoft no longer supports Windows XP Updates, You can no longer have XP updated from The Micosoft Web Site. I had to download SP3 From another site.

Hi blackbook!
Could you send the savegame, a short guide for a reproducing the behavior and a DxDiag of your system to the support (Subject: Patrician IV - Forward to Daan Hugo)?

Best regards,
Daan

(12-12-2011 10:33 AM)Daan Hugo Wrote:  Hi blackbook!
Could you send the savegame, a short guide for a reproducing the behavior and a DxDiag of your system to the support (Subject: Patrician IV - Forward to Daan Hugo)?

Best regards,
Daan

Email sent to Kalypso support addressed to you. Thankyou.

Problem solved

There is a difference between "Cloth" and "Clothing" (Try to hover the icons to get the tool tip)
You bought the wrong goods.

Best Regards,
Daan

Haha. Finger trouble eh!

Well, ol' Snootch is back. I have the American boxed version with the English RoaD expansion (downloaded from Amazon.com) and am running Version 2.04. Below are six bugs that I have noticed since the beginning and they frustrate the heck out of me, so I thought I'd offer them here since Daan and his team do so well to help us.

A) When I go to my Convoy List, it is difficult to click on the Convoy that I want to select. I have found a way to work around it by first clicking slowly on the Convoy already selected, then I slowly click on the Convoy that I want to select. Sometimes this doesn't work, and I have to keep clicking on the Convoy that is already selected just so that I can select another convoy. The highlight (current selection) sticks and is extremely annoying when trying to select a new Convoy!

B) Another clicking problem - when I go to Edit my Trade Route for a convoy, and I simply click on one of the Towns to determine the automated trading, it sometimes sends that Town to the top of my Route list. Then I have to try and remember where the Town is supposed to go in the order that I have set up. I work around this by having to pay attention to my Route order (in case it gets messed up), clicking slowly on the Town that I want to select, and then making sure that I am clicking perfectly in the center of that Town's name button. It is very annoying to click on a Town on the Edit Route screen only to have it be placed at the top and out of order, and then trying to rectify that!

C) I mentioned this bug before and it has not yet been resolved - the Mediterranean cities are not allowing me to trade more items with them as they upgrade in size. I have some of them at 5 Stars, yet they still only buy 100 or so items from my convoys. This is very frustrating! Please fix this! Last time I was asked how much the total population of the Hanse was, and I forget my answer. Regardless, even with a smaller or larger populated Hanse, the Mediterranean cities are not allowing more trade when they get more Stars. (Current total Hanse population is 41,991.)

D) Next, the game sometimes slows down on me for no apparent reason. It's like it gets too busy or something, and then everything starts to drag - the mouse cursor when it is scrolling, screen scrolling, sound ques, etc. A work-around that I discovered was patiently (or impatiently, as the case may be) to go to the Options panel and change the Graphics setting to un-click Full Screen (go to Windowed setting) and accept. After the game goes to that Windowed setting, I then switch it back to Full Screen, and the game runs fine. This is very frustrating when I am doing something important or when it requires my timed focus!

E) When I go to the Options Menu and go to the Gameplay tab, I have un-checked Advisor Videos and have turned Advisor Hints to "Off." However, I still get Advisor videos and hints. Furthermore, I do not like the voice acting of the Competitors in this game (it is usually insulting, degrading, long-winded, or just awkward), though the only way that I have been able to turn this off is to un-check the Event Videos box, which then means that I am not made aware when events that I DO want to know about occur. Please help us be able to turn off as many of the Speakers as possible (fixing bugs, adding a button for the Competitors, etc.) but enabling us to view Event Videos.

F) Lastly, sometimes when I go to the City Council tab on the Town Hall screen, I click on the "Application" button to try and influence the politics there, but it does not do anything, even when I have several millions of dollars on hand.

Please let me know if you need other information. I trust that you guys can resolve these issues. Thank you.


Snootch

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Some of my system's highlights:

Windows 7 Home Premium (SP1): 64-bit
RAM: 4 GB
Processor: Intel Core i7 CPU (Q 720) @ 1.60 GHz
Graphics: NVidia GeForce GT 230M

A) i never had aproblem to select a convoy. if there are too many in the town i use the convoy list to select. i guess there is a problem with your hardware/drivers.

B) known issue

C) with the addon there was a bug with the stars of the MM cities. they still shows only one stars, but will raise correctly with your Hanse. And they buy much more than your 100 barrels...

A+C+D) full dxdiag could help. i have got some doubths about the CPU and Graphics...
Do you patched the basic game to 1.3 before installing the Addon?

F) could happen, but if you'll wait one (ingame) day this effect should dissapear

A-F) Unfortunately i expect no further patch for P4 anymore...

Lebe jeden Tag, als wäre es Dein Letzter! / Live each day as it would be your last!

(03-01-2012 11:25 AM)Dorimil Wrote:  A) i never had aproblem to select a convoy. if there are too many in the town i use the convoy list to select. i guess there is a problem with your hardware/drivers.

B) known issue

C) with the addon there was a bug with the stars of the MM cities. they still shows only one stars, but will raise correctly with your Hanse. And they buy much more than your 100 barrels...

A+C+D) full dxdiag could help. i have got some doubths about the CPU and Graphics...
Do you patched the basic game to 1.3 before installing the Addon?

F) could happen, but if you'll wait one (ingame) day this effect should dissapear

A-F) Unfortunately i expect no further patch for P4 anymore...

In order:

A) I use the Convoy list. I try to click on a Convoy, and it won't let me. The highlight sticks on one Convoy. I have to re-click the highlighted Convoy to get it to un-stick, then I can select the Convoy I want from the list.

B) No more patches. Amazing. If that is true, I won't make the mistake of buying from Gaming Minds or Kalypso again. I am already boycotting Paradox and Ubisoft for their shoddy or lacking support for their products.

C) I got a Mediterranean city up to 5 stars, and it only buys 50-100 barrels from my convoy, even when I send over 5,000 to trade.

D) Yes, I patched to 1.3 before installing the add-on. What doubts do you have about my computer?

F) I'll try that. I just reported it because it seemed like a bug.

Thanks,

Snootch

(03-01-2012 04:41 AM)Snootch Wrote:  [...] since Daan and his team do so well to help us.

Well, I'll try to do my best again (even the answers may not satisfy you):

General: I guess you are using a notebook instead of a desktop PC, aren't you? That could cause troubles (hardware)...

A) Hmm, if I got this right there should be a workaround: Set the time to '0' before you open the list :/ This happens only if you got A LOT of ships in your convoy.
(Sadly, it's a known issue that can't be solved. We're going to use a different system after PIV-RoaD)

B) Just a workaround: you have to do it carefuly
(Sadly, it's a known issue that can't be solved. We're going to use a different system after PIV-RoaD)

C) This one is new to me. I can sell much more then 100 barrels?! Do you have any savegames?

D) I need your DxDiag to tell you more about this... (Mail to 'support@kalypsomedia.com' - Subject: 'Patrician IV-Issue-Daan' - Attachment: DxDiag and savegame)

E) Sadly, it's a known issue that can't be solved. We're going to use a different system after PIV-RoaD.

F) Sould be solved like Dorimil said. Is there a queue running in the background?


We are aware of these issues and we got our lession to avoid things like that in future.
(As Dorimil said, unfortunatly, there won't be another update... Explainations can be found in this board as well.)

Keep up the good work and thank you very much

Best regards,
Daan

(03-01-2012 11:35 AM)Snootch Wrote:  B) No more patches. Amazing. If that is true, I won't make the mistake of buying from Gaming Minds or Kalypso again. I am already boycotting Paradox and Ubisoft for their shoddy or lacking support for their products.

Believe me, the patch support by Gaming Minds/kalypso is much better than from Ubisoft (playing Anno/Discovery from the beginning!). But every game will run out of support after some time...thats the circle of life...

(03-01-2012 11:35 AM)Snootch Wrote:  D) Yes, I patched to 1.3 before installing the add-on. What doubts do you have about my computer?

i have read from many people using this CPU having problems with games, because it "only" has got 1.6GHz and it probably doesn't matter how many cores...
your graphic card is an office version, not designed for playing games. the often has got shared memory. could also be a "trouble-maker"

Lebe jeden Tag, als wäre es Dein Letzter! / Live each day as it would be your last!

Thanks, Daan and Dorimil.

I am sad to see the "no-patch policy" is in effect just over a year after the product's initial release. As a big fan of the Patrician series, I was hoping for a more "complete" offering, at least at some point. I did notice that the "Gold Edition" is now available. I feel like a damn fool for buying this game in August. I went against my better instincts, which were to wait for a completed product and thus pay a cheaper price for more game.

You have won this round, Kalypso, but you have fortified my beliefs regarding the current market and gaming industry. Next time you won't be so lucky.


Snootch

P.S.
Consider my case here closed.

don't get me wrong! i wish every company would patch there products until eternity like Blizzard with Diablo 2, but there is no other company which has got the same financial background. so there will be a point, where the support is stopped by economic thoughts.
i know that this is nothing what we customers wants to hear (or read)...

i would like to help you with your technical problems, but without a dxdiag it is just guessing...

Lebe jeden Tag, als wäre es Dein Letzter! / Live each day as it would be your last!

(05-01-2012 11:34 AM)Dorimil Wrote:  don't get me wrong! i wish every company would patch there products until eternity like Blizzard with Diablo 2, but there is no other company which has got the same financial background. so there will be a point, where the support is stopped by economic thoughts.

Have you ever thought that it may be other way, meaning that their support (including long time patching) and almoust for ever 'polished' products (= good quality games) give them good financial background. Because customers/gamers can wait good quality games, they also like to buy those games a lot...

the financial background of Blizzard is very easy...its called WoW, which gives them a fix income every month.
Of course it gives Blizzard the possibility to publish games "when they are done" And the customers believe in that und will buy more copies of there games.
But i also think, that the production costs of D3 for example are that high, that they won't be covered within the first two weeks after release (which is the main selling frame!). But caused by the standing Blizzard has got, they will sell copies for high prices at a longer distance. Something that will not happen to every other game...

Lebe jeden Tag, als wäre es Dein Letzter! / Live each day as it would be your last!

Hmm, that could have several reasons like wrong or missing installations of .NET, DirectX or anything like that.
Did you bought PIV (without RoaD) at gamersgate too? Did you patched it (PIV without RoaD) before you installed RoaD? Do you have been able to play it without RoaD? Please post a DxDiag next time.

Best regards,
Daan

(06-01-2012 12:36 PM)AnTonioPolllAck Wrote:  I never had a problem with the game or the patches. Yesterday i bought the addon (via gamersgate) and i try to patch it to 2.04 and it gives the following error (free translation to english): Not possible to found the entry point of procedure GetLogicalProcessorInformation in the library of dynamic hyperlink KERNEL32.dll.

Another thing to keep in mind:

When did you remove the GamersGate download and installation file?
I noticed if you remove that file too soon - when it pops up, but before the installation of P4 RoaD is complete) you run into problems with the installation and the game.

Thorin

I have 12 "ghost" wagons. Apparently I have saved while a battle was ongoing. My bad. So, is there a way to remove these ghosts from my world? Who do I call? Ghost Busters? But seriously folks: I'll appreciate any assistance in this matter.

as far as i know there is no way to remove the ghost wagons

@greymouser
You can reduce the chances of a Wagon Train going to "Ghost" -
I've set my AUTOSAVE TIMER to -1 in OPTIONS.CFG. This disables Autosave. (You can find the Options file your APPDATA folder (Type %appdata% into the RUN command dialogue box) - in the "...... \KALYPSO MEDIA\Patrician Addon" folder. Open with NOTEPAD scroll to near the end of the file
[Autosave]
Timer = nnn
Always back up the file before editing it.

Also you can dispense with escorts and let the "Prince" take a few of the goods - it improves his mood, you lose some goods but gain a slightly happier Prince - you need to keep the Prince happy anyway, so it's sort of a Win / Win.
Fewer battles - fewer saves - less GHOST TRAINS.

(18-02-2012 12:40 AM)billyplod Wrote:  Also you can dispense with escorts and let the "Prince" take a few of the goods - it improves his mood, you lose some goods but gain a slightly happier Prince - you need to keep the Prince happy anyway, so it's sort of a Win / Win.
Fewer battles - fewer saves - less GHOST TRAINS.

is the time the wagon is in a attack reduced if you dispense the escort?

(18-02-2012 01:41 AM)Falko Wrote:  is the time the wagon is in a attack reduced if you dispense the escort?

Yes they still get attacked but the "battle" is resolved faster than those with escorts. I run single unit (wagon) wagon trains so the size of the train, hence the escort size, may have an influence. This I will check.

Hi
I have the same problem that has been reported earlier, but not answered, in this tread: as soon as my account balance is negative, my official wealth goes through the roof. The effect of this is that my rank is increased (if I have enough ship and workers) although my true wealth is far from enough to reach a new rank. It is rather annoying to be able to take 1 million in loan when my true wealth only is approximately 300.000 ...

I noticed this error as soon as I started using the mod tools (for the expansion) as reported on http://forum.kalypsomedia.com/showthread.php?tid=9876 . I only changed the town size, town type, starting towns (number) and production in the towns.

Is there a bug in the INI-files? I tried removing the INI-files and start a new game, but the error still applies (I guess I can get rid of the error by uninstalling the game, but I love the idea of starting a game with only 8 small cities... )

as far as i know modding size,type production of town does not change anything account related
your official wealth is not the same as the account balance
your wealth consist of ships, goods, buildings and money
even if you have a negative account balance ships, goods, buildings could be push official wealth up to the next rank

My problem is that the wealth registered by the game increases to incredible amounts (billions?) when my account balance is negative! My true wealth does not matter because the game overrules it when my bank account is negative. As soon as the account balance is posivite, the wealth is correct calculated (i.e: when my account balance is negative, I can take a loan of 1 million, but when it is posivite I can "only" take a loan of 50.000-100.000).

I first noticed this after starting modding the ini-files, but the same fault applies after removed the files and starting a new game (I can increase from Grocer to Trader during the first few days, only depending on how fast I can get my account balance negative...)

i tried a some games where i send the start ship into the sea and let the time run down for some years (-50.000 balance) and my rank changed
so i tried a bit more and here some results:
i started the new games with some mods (that shouldnt have any influence on the rank mechanism)
test1: ship->sea -> 8 years forward in background => rank change (modded)
test2: ship->in harbour (do nothing) -> some years forward in background=> rank change (modded)
test3: sell and buy start ship + ship->sea -> 2 years forward in background +spend money in church => rank change as soon as i get e negative balance (NOT modded)
in all 3 tests the wealth (rank-tooltip & statistic) did not go in the billions
should "negative balance" results in virtual billions for the rank calculation one can get to patrician faster..
but IMHO the price of the guild membership slows one more than the wealth neccesary for the higher ranks

Concidering that the game is balanced, the ability to take a loan of one million (with a wealth of 50.000) makes the game very unbalanced. For me the fun of the game is the struggle increasing in rank, and this bug takes that fun away...

In my case:
Wealth with positive balance = 47.441
Wealth with negative balance = 1.841.159.999

The only solution to avoiding "pre-leveling" is to abstain from buying ships/hiring workers until my true wealth is high enough to increase in rank (or to avoid a negative balance, which is another challenge...).

No solution to this bug?

strange
where do you read "your" wealth information?
did you usea fullypatched game?
can you upload a savegame?
as far as i see the loan size is increasing with the rank a trader couldnt have a loan offer for one million... i cant remember ever seeing that behaviour

Hi
I get my wealth from the statistics tab and I am playing RoaD 2.0.4.
Unfortunately I don't have access to a homepage, so I am not able to link to a savegame. This forum does not allow to upload files directly to it? (I can mail a savegame)

At the time being I am a travelling merchant needing 246.000 and 1 ship to increase in rank (and am offered a loan of 100.000), but if I let my bank account go negative the next day I only need 1 ship to increase in rank (and am offered 1 million in loan). If I let time pass, without having a negative balance, I still need 246.000 and 1 ship to increase in rank and am only offered 100.000 in loan...

i startet a new unmodded game
waited a month
bought all goods until ~100 gold remained
send my ship to the sea (there i have daily costs)
account balance goes negative
after one day the rank increases
after the end of the month the statistic shows the billion - wealth value

that bug is a new one to my knowledge
another one of these little bugs
and as far as i can tell there will be no further patch

(if you got a postive balance some of the existing (and all the new created ) mission getting cheaper )